Peter.Deafy.Haskins@f37.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Peter "Deafy" Haskins) (05/14/91)
Index Number: 15605
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
I just learned that you are the modernator for SilentTalk...
I was thinking real hard about these expensive long distance
calls ( Such as TDD to TDD)
Why dont we form a Steering committee and do alot of
research as follows!
1. Get Deafies to get computers, 38,400 Baud modems,
FrontDoor, Tosscan or Binkley and a communication
software such as Procomm.
2. Create our own Nodelist
3. Manuals and Instructions on Installation of these
softwares above.
4. Train careful picked candiates for HUBS, REC, NC , ETC
5. Zones to be created for all parts of North America
6. NetMail can be used direct .
7. CM is a must
8. Create all sorts of echoes such like Education, Legal,
Organization Feedbacks, Announcements, Bullentins, Consumers
Advisory, Etc.
9. Only Old Pharts can be NC, REC, Hubs, etc and must have
the ability of assisting newbies and train them how to use
the Network and Netmailing.
10. All handpicked Old Pharts from each zone should meet
togother , do alot of brain storming, how to set up the
network and can do the most effectively work.ETc
11. I am convinced that we can beat these expensive Long
Distance calls. Once a deaf user send a message to his/her
friends or relatives as a letter with higher Baud Speed
like USROBITICS Dual Standard Modems will save at least 97
percent of long distance calls .
Any Comments ?
Regards,
Peter "Deafy" Haskins
Deafy's First BBS
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Internet: Peter."Deafy".Haskins@f37.n342.z1.fidonet.orgAnn.Stalnaker@p0.f14.n385.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker) (05/24/91)
Index Number: 15768
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
> I just learned that you are the modernator for SilentTalk...
I am co-moderating this echo with Stu Turk, the sysop of
SoundingBoard of Pittsburgh - so this should apply to both of
us, not just me.
As to forming a net for the deaf using all sorts of expensive
equipment - may I ask who is going to provide the funds for
the equipment? Think about it - do you think the majority
of the HI population can afford all of these high speed gadgets?
Personally, I think FidoNet provides everything we need and since
most of us have other interests besides SilentTalk, it would not
be the best thing to start. Also, I have many users on my BBS
and the majority of them are not hearing impaired - I personally
do not think a Deaf Net would go over very well as I don't see
millions of hearing impaired folks getting involved.
Also, we have enough nets as it is - there's others besides
FidoNet and I'm perfectly happy with what is available for
us with this echo and the messages from InterNet/UseNet/BitNet
being ported back and forth...
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Internet: Ann.Stalnaker@p0.f14.n385.z1.fidonet.orgTim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Smith) (05/30/91)
Index Number: 15831
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
Well.. this conference seems to be more of a oralistic orientated echo
mail about the Deaf.... And or a place for parents who want to know
what to do with their kids when they find out they are deaf...
Why not have a Deaf Net strictly in favor of ASL>
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Internet: Tim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.orgSusanna.Tam@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Susanna Tam) (05/30/91)
Index Number: 15853
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-> I can't see trying to separate folks who use ASL and those
-> who are oral - that's the whole problem right there - we need
-> to work together as a team and respect others regardless
-> of whether they speak or sign.
I agree. Many of us use ASL and are oral. I am hearing impaired.
It is the first conference where I can openly discuss the benefit
of oral, ASL, and lipreading. We should have an open mind, listen
to other's opinions and find solutions. We can also give advices
about how to communicate better with both hearing impaired and
hearies.
-Susanna
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Internet: Susanna.Tam@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.orgJessica.Ostrow@f337.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jessica Ostrow) (05/30/91)
Index Number: 15854
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AS> I can't see trying to separate folks who use ASL and those
AS> who are oral - that's the whole problem right there - we
AS> need
AS> to work together as a team and respect others regardless
AS> of whether they speak or sign.
Ann...you hit the nail on the head there...I kind of wondered, among the ASL
crowd, many of them seem to imply that there is a stigma of a sort if you
are deaf and can speak, or were brought up oral or whatever...why is this?
I'm wondering because I was raised oral, and not encouraged to sign/learn
sign (something I think is probably typical with hearing parents, and also
because educators had some kind of weird idea that if a child learns sign,
they won't "want" to learn to speak, and scare hearing parents into thinking
that sign is bad...)... About 2 years ago, I started learning sign, and find
that it's opening up new worlds to me; I can now watch and understand
interpreters and not have to worry about being able to lipread the person.
cheers, Jessica
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Internet: Jessica.Ostrow@f337.n109.z1.fidonet.orgJack.O'keeffe@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (05/30/91)
Index Number: 15856
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
AS>> I can't see trying to separate folks who use ASL and those
AS>> who are oral - that's the whole problem right there - we need
AS>> to work together as a team and respect others regardless
AS>> of whether they speak or sign.
ST> I agree. Many of us use ASL and are oral. I am hearing
ST> impaired. It is the first conference where I can openly discuss
ST> the benefit of oral, ASL, and lipreading. We should have an
ST> open mind, listen to other's opinions and find solutions.
Hi Annie.
The concept of a separate ASL only echo is about as good an example
as one could find of the "Deaf Apartheidt" mentality. While there
is nothing that could (or should) be done to impede any who are so
inclined from establishing such an echo, I think it would be a loss
to SilentTalk. And a far, far greater loss to those who would thus
isolate themselves from mainstream society.
I agree with you and Susanna and Jessica that we must keep this an
open forum where all opinions are welcome. Hey, we need all the
help we can get to communicate with the hearing world. IMHO, an
ASL ONLY echo would be a gross denial of this. Even if such a
conference were established, ASL along with the other signing
dialects would continue to be an important element of SilentTalk.
BTW, the ST> quoted above is not the distinguished co-moderator of
this conference, but another nice person with the same initials :-)
... Jack.
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Internet: Jack.O'keeffe@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.orgTim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Smith) (06/17/91)
Index Number: 16063
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I wish that there could be more balance in here, I'm getting discouraged
with the extreme ratio of SEE and ASL supporters in here..
Seems like just three or four of us ASL supporters and a MILLION others!
Seems to me that many ASL people don't take part in this conferennce...
In no way does this conference reflect the true percentage of the deaf's
attitude of ASL vs. SEE....
After all, many people who only sign ASL have never been taught english.
This is not the fault of ASL, but the education they went through.
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Internet: Tim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.orgTim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Smith) (06/17/91)
Index Number: 16066
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
You have a good point about ASL users wanting to form their own Echo
COnference, and how that would be detacting them from society...
BUT-
Sometimes, we just need a place to plan things out on our own, in
private without having to argue with the people aganist ASL about the
various benfits of ASL v. SEE...
Arguing doesn't help get things done...
Besides, simply having a separate echo doesn't mean we want to detact
from society.. Call it our "meeting room" if you like!
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Internet: Tim.Smith@f429.n275.z1.fidonet.orgJack.O'keeffe@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe) (06/17/91)
Index Number: 16067
[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]
TS> Sometimes, we just need a place to plan things out on our own,
TS> in private without having to argue with the people aganist ASL
TS> about the various benfits of ASL v. SEE...
TS> Arguing doesn't help get things done...
Amen to less arguing, Tim! But I don't understand why you view
ASL and SEE as rivals. Are not both valid means of communication?
Discussing things here gives us insights into others thinking and
a better understanding of each other. That's what this echo is
about, Tim. It is not for arguing, or promoting any one means of
communication by denigrating others. And it especially not for
mounting personal attacks on others whose views may differ from
our own.
I am encouraged that most all SilentTalkers seem to be developing
a better understanding of acceptable echo behavior.
If any two people ALWAYS agree - one of them is unnecessary :-)
TS> Besides, simply having a separate echo doesn't mean we want
TS> to detact from society.. Call it our "meeting room" if you like!
I, for one, would sincerely hope that you and James and other ASL
advocates would not abandon SilentTalk if you do establish an echo
that is exclusively for ASL. I think all of us have a great deal
to learn from one another, and I still believe that we can do it
if we try. In a collegial - non adversarial - manner.
TS> discouraged with the extreme ratio of SEE and ASL supporters in
TS> here.. Seems like just three or four of us ASL supporters and a
TS> MILLION others!
Actually it's more like 21,585,000 others, Tim. Aren't we lucky
that all of them don't post here on SilentTalk :-). We'd never get
all the mail read.
The Federal Bilingual Courts Study estimated that less that one half
of one percent of the U.S. population, 972,000 individuals, depends
on sign language as their primary means of communication. And this
includes not only ASL, but SEE, PSE, etc., etc.
The hearing impaired population is somewhere around 22 to 24 million.
It is roughly 82% hard of hearing and 18% deaf. Less than one in
four DEAF persons depends on signing (ASL, SEE, or whatever) as primary
mode of communication. Most are oral.
TS> Seems to me that many ASL people don't take part in this
TS> conferennce... In no way does this conference reflect the true
TS> percentage of the deaf's attitude of ASL vs. SEE....
I don't have any statistics on ASL vs. SEE, Tim. If you have some,
why not share with us? But if we can believe the Federal statistics
cited above, signing is represented quite well here in comparison to
oralism.
I'm a TC person myself. If it helps me communicate, I'll use it.
... Jack.
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