fuchs@czar.Princeton.EDU (Ira Fuchs) (08/02/90)
Can anyone tell me where I can FTP a PERL Reference Manual or at least something more than the MAN page from? Thanks.
merlyn@iwarp.intel.com (Randal Schwartz) (08/03/90)
In article <1990Aug2.103054@czar.Princeton.EDU>, fuchs@czar (Ira Fuchs) writes: | Can anyone tell me where I can FTP a PERL Reference Manual or at least | something more than the MAN page from? Thanks. Well, in about three months, there'll be an 800-number that you can call to get a 200-page book delivered to your doorstep (written by Larry and me, published by Nutshell). In the interim, there are some quick-reference cards that summarize pieces of the manpage in a more orderly format. I don't recall offhand whether those are offered for anon-FTP, however, and I'm not sure that they offer more in the way of examples, which seems to be what everyone is screaming for. Stay tuned to this newsgroup, and ask your questions here. There are many Perl experts here, all willing to give you (sometimes conflicting :-) answers. printf "%s %s %s %s", "Just", "another", "Perl", "hacker," -- /=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 ==========\ | on contract to Intel's iWarp project, Beaverton, Oregon, USA, Sol III | | merlyn@iwarp.intel.com ...!any-MX-mailer-like-uunet!iwarp.intel.com!merlyn | \=Cute Quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins!"=/
edwin@praxis.cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer) (08/03/90)
In <1990Aug2.103054@czar.Princeton.EDU> fuchs@czar.Princeton.EDU (Ira Fuchs) writes: | Can anyone tell me where I can FTP a PERL Reference Manual or at least | something more than the MAN page from? Thanks. Yes, there are reference guides and cards, all designed bij Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>. These are available for anonymous FTP from our archive server: sol.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] Look in the "pub/DOC" directory for the "perl-*" files (the INDEX file in that directory describes what they are). enjoy, --[ Edwin ]-- -- Edwin Kremer (SysAdm), Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Telephone: +31-30-534104 | UUCP: ...!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!edwin Telefax : +31-30-513791 | Email: edwin@cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5]
richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) (08/05/90)
>Well, in about three months, there'll be an 800-number that you can >call to get a 200-page book delivered to your doorstep (written by >Larry and me, published by Nutshell). In the interim, there are some One feature that would be nice to go along with your book is a stack of disks, or whatever, with a machine-readable copy of the book. When you're looking for info on a particular item there's nothing like blasting through the docs on the computer. And cut-and-paste on the examples would be pretty nice too. I think the NeXT machine comes with most or all of it's docs online. Nice feature. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com
6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (08/06/90)
In article <1990Aug5.115930.10276@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes: |>Well, in about three months, there'll be an 800-number that you can |>call to get a 200-page book delivered to your doorstep (written by |>Larry and me, published by Nutshell). In the interim, there are some |One feature that would be nice to go along with your book is a stack of |disks, or whatever, with a machine-readable copy of the book. When |you're looking for info on a particular item there's nothing like |blasting through the docs on the computer. And cut-and-paste on the |examples would be pretty nice too. This is probably unworkable, considering the number of different machines perl is available for, and the number of different types of media that would be needed. However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book, but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy. Randal, Larry, have you talked with the publisher about this? Any feeling if it's possible? -- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP
merlyn@iwarp.intel.com (Randal Schwartz) (08/07/90)
In article <2311@polari.UUCP>, 6sigma2@polari (Brian Matthews) writes: | However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book | available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book, | but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy. | Randal, Larry, have you talked with the publisher about this? Any feeling | if it's possible? Larry and I are in discussion right now about how much of the book to make available in machine-readable format. Your requests are being noted. (I hadn't thought of making just the examples available... that's a good one!) Stay tuned... it's getting closer... -- /=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 ==========\ | on contract to Intel's iWarp project, Beaverton, Oregon, USA, Sol III | | merlyn@iwarp.intel.com ...!any-MX-mailer-like-uunet!iwarp.intel.com!merlyn | \=Cute Quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins!"=/
ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) (08/07/90)
From: 6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews)
Date: 5 Aug 90 17:35:36 GMT
However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book
available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book,
but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy.
We make the programming examples from our books available from uunet
via anonymous {uucp,ftp}. So expect
uunet!/usr/spool/ftp/nutshell/perl/examples.shar.Z (or some such) to
appear about the same time the book does....
AMBAR
ambar@ora.com uunet!ora!ambar
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800-338-NUTS (in CA 800-533-NUTS) FAX 707-829-0104libes@cme.nist.gov (Don Libes) (08/07/90)
In article <1990Aug6.170217.20065@iwarp.intel.com> merlyn@iwarp.intel.com (Randal Schwartz) writes: >In article <2311@polari.UUCP>, 6sigma2@polari (Brian Matthews) writes: >| However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book >| available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book, >| but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy. >| Randal, Larry, have you talked with the publisher about this? Any feeling >| if it's possible? > >Larry and I are in discussion right now about how much of the book to >make available in machine-readable format. Your requests are being >noted. (I hadn't thought of making just the examples available... >that's a good one!) This discussion is silly. Obviously, this book is a for-profit venture. If not, it would be made accessible through the same route that Perl is now. Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with book selling, but why would you expect the authors to make the examples machine-readable when you say "I don't need or want the full text of the book". If you aren't going to buy the book, the author's have nothing to gain by publishing it commercially to begin with. Ideally, the authors would be happy to sell a completely machine- readable copy. This would allow readers to search through it on-line. But if you expect to download it from jpl.nasa.gov, you're crazy. >Stay tuned... it's getting closer... >-- >/=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 Anyway, I resent these "advertisements" which are clearly only for profit. (Well, one is ok, but to see this commercial so frequently is annoying - even more so because the product doesn't exist yet.) I'm in no way denigrating the wonderful things Larry has brought us over the years for no charge. Larry is entitled to make money on any efforts people are willing to pay for. I just don't care to see them repeatedly advertised. Don Libes libes@cme.nist.gov ...!uunet!cme-durer!libes
lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) (08/07/90)
In article <2311@polari.UUCP> 6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes:
: However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book
: available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book,
: but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy.
: Randal, Larry, have you talked with the publisher about this? Any feeling
: if it's possible?
Heh. Many of the examples have already been on the net...
I don't think there's a problem with making the examples available.
Larrylwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) (08/07/90)
In article <5611@muffin.cme.nist.gov> libes@cme.nist.gov (Don Libes) writes:
: Anyway, I resent these "advertisements" which are clearly only for
: profit. (Well, one is ok, but to see this commercial so frequently is
: annoying - even more so because the product doesn't exist yet.)
Actually, we just "advertise" to keep up our enthusiasm for writing.
If we get other people excited then we have to stay excited too... :-)
Mind you, it wouldn't BOTHER me if it sold 200,000 copies the first year,
but I 'ave me doubts about that.
Actually, though, I don't much consider the "advertising" in comp.lang.perl
to be commercial activity. It's pretty much preaching to the converted.
In fact, the more you've read comp.lang.perl, the less likely you are
to need the book in the first place. Most of the "advertising" is more
like a status report to the SA's who keep getting asked "Is there
a book describing this thing you keep pushing? When's it coming out?"
And a little bit of it is just our excitement tinging what we say.
And I'm sure a little of it is just plain old-fashioned bragging... :-)
Larry6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (08/08/90)
In article <5611@muffin.cme.nist.gov> libes@cme.nist.gov (Don Libes) writes: |In article <2311@polari.UUCP>, 6sigma2@polari (Brian Matthews) writes: || However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book || available over the net? I don't need or want the full text of the book, || but not having to type in the examples to use them would be very handy. || Randal, Larry, have you talked with the publisher about this? Any feeling || if it's possible? |Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with book selling, but why |would you expect the authors to make the examples machine-readable |when you say "I don't need or want the full text of the book". Sorry, I worded that poorly. What I meant was, "I don't need or want the full text of the book *in machine readable format*" I plan on purchasing at least one copy of the book for myself, and a couple people in my office will probably want copies too. And if I can't get the examples in machine readable format, I'll probably end up typing a lot of them in, and so will a lot of other people. That's why it would be nice to have the examples posted or available for ftp or something. Of course this is all moot, as someone from O'Reilly has already posted saying the examples will be available on uunet. -- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP
6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) (08/08/90)
In article <9026@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) writes: |In article <2311@polari.UUCP> 6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: |: However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book |: available over the net? |Heh. Many of the examples have already been on the net... Yes, but in the book I will expect you and Randal to have worked your magic perl optimizers on them so they're fast, efficient, and no more than two lines long :-) -- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP
merlyn@iwarp.intel.com (Randal Schwartz) (08/08/90)
In article <2320@polari.UUCP>, 6sigma2@polari (Brian Matthews) writes: | In article <9026@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) writes: | |In article <2311@polari.UUCP> 6sigma2@polari.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: | |: However, has thought been given to making the examples in the book | |: available over the net? | |Heh. Many of the examples have already been on the net... | | Yes, but in the book I will expect you and Randal to have worked your | magic perl optimizers on them so they're fast, efficient, and no more | than two lines long :-) Actually, every example that ends up in the book will simply be abbreviated as "example1;", "example2;", on up to "example2924;", and Larry will add the code into the next patch to implement these tokens as highly optimized C performing the necessary functions for the example. JAPH_2147; # :-) -- /=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 ==========\ | on contract to Intel's iWarp project, Beaverton, Oregon, USA, Sol III | | merlyn@iwarp.intel.com ...!any-MX-mailer-like-uunet!iwarp.intel.com!merlyn | \=Cute Quote: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins!"=/