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eugene@statvax.UUCP (Eugene miya) (02/11/84)

I no longer work in the space end of things (Aeronautics directorate now),
but I read with amusement.  The first letters I read about Westar make me
think that there is a market for savage operations in space.

Retreiving the failed satellites: sure, which ones?  There are lots of
deserving satellites.  Westar and its brother are just two.  The next mission
will try to get one.  I worked on SEASAT-A which was the first oceanographic
related one, and there are numerous others.  Insurance is the way to
go for Westar at this stage (Lloyds of London perhaps?).

Regarding the vision of NASA administrators, I can agree, I have had four
details to NASA HQ, and the hardening of the veins is getting harder, but
just last week, the Associate administrator (Hans Mark) stopped by and
gave us a little story about the "two-stage" plan to get a shuttle and
a space station.  In orbit, first one, then the other, or in the Soviet case,
the other and then the one.  Mark and many others have vision, but it
is difficult to implement these dreams.  Recall the saying by Gerard Weinberg
about "If architects built cities, the way programmer's program, then the
first woodpecker would have knocked down civilization," that's the way it
is with the space program.  The builders of rockets and satellites are
just hackers in their own respective fields.

Sure, all of us want to travel faster than the speed of light, but we
actually have to try and implement the systems to do it, and it's not easy.
Part of the problem lies in the bureaucracy in NASA.  The people who
would over see Westar don't have UNIX, nor UUCP, and your messages fall on
deaf ears.  This is because there is a lack of trained CS personnel
with a UNIX background (real UNIX hackers).  Both of these are brought about
by hard budget times.  Each NASA Center has a specific mission: manned
space (Johnson Space Center is not on UUCP), earth orbiting satellites
(Goddard SFC), deep space (JPL), etc. as an effort to save money.

In closing, it should be mentioned at Dr. Mark mentioned plans after
2000, in particular the possibility of a manned-Mars mission, after
the permanent establishment of an orbiting station [An aside: a point
mentioned in a conversation I overheard: most of the people (companies)
interested in a space station are interested in a zero-g environment
[as well as a vacuum], not artificial gravity, another (economic)
reason for non-rotating stations].  Don't quote me, but Mark's opinion
is that once you get off the earth, it's just a short hop past the moon to
Mars, so make a small quiet moon base, but GO to Mars!  Mark speculated
that there might be yet another space race to reach Mars.

The above, it must be noted is Mark's opinion.  Others would prefer an un-manned
sampler mission, etc..  Just remember, all these missions are going to
require computer people on Earth and in space.  NASA is not the most
hospitable environment to work in, but it can be done.  There is life
in NASA.

--eugene miya
  NASA Ames Research Center
p.s. my first recommendation to the NASA people from JSC and LaRC was:
GET UUCP running!

al@ames-lm.UUCP (Al Globus) (02/21/84)

The subject is a bit of a misnomer, but....

JSC (Johnson Space Center) has purchases 10 or so MASSCOMPs for
shuttle mission control.  MASSCOMP is a UNIX/68000 box.  I
believe it has UUCP.  Hopefully they'll be on the net soon.