seifert@ihuxl.UUCP (D.A. Seifert) (05/18/84)
> If Tim had posted the infamous BLKTRAN, not many of us would rush > to his defense, least of all me. BLKTRAN is in conflict with the > dignity of a group of human beings, and that conflict is along > racial lines. But what did Tim say? Tim said, if I recall, > something like ``the god of the Jewish and Christian scriptures > is a cruel, sadistic sonofabitch and I would rather go to hell > (if hell there is) proudly than worship the monster.'' Now I > think that Tim hasn't quite got the right understanding of things, > but that's besides the point. > > It's Tim's right to believe this, and it's Tim's right to say it. > > Mark Terribile So you're saying that it's perfectly allright to insult the Lord, but not allright to tell a joke? BLKTRAN was one the *few* things posted to net.jokes that actually contains humor. Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy most of the religious oriented jokes, even though they poke fun at my beliefs. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're going to have problems. As far as Tim's views, I consider the source. After awhile, I just started 'n'-ing anything that said unc!tim in the header. (and in extreme cases, unsubscribing) I have better things to do than waste my time reading his ravings. Some people enjoyed reading his articles. It's sad that censorship has reared it's ugly head once again (remember Denver?). Who was it that said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." ? -- _____ /_____\ That auto-crossing beagle, /_______\ Snoopy |___| BMWCCA, Windy City Chapter ____|___|_____ ihnp4!ihuxl!seifert
eric@gang.UUCP (Eric Kiebler) (05/18/84)
I, for one, have only been on the net for about a year, and
sporadically at that. Could some interested individuals *mail*
me their recollections of censorship cases, preferrably with the
articles involved or at least references? Sufficient interest
will generate a summary posting.
eric
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I stand corrected but indifferent.debray@sbcs.UUCP (Saumya Debray) (05/21/84)
> > If Tim had posted the infamous BLKTRAN ... ... > So you're saying that it's perfectly allright to insult the Lord, > but not allright to tell a joke? It's not a matter of whether it's "alright" for a person to do this or that. If a person is being punished for something, it's only fair that he be informed of the reason for the punishment. It *does* seem, from what I've seen and heard (which is, admittedly, not the entire story), that the charges against Tim were never explicitly stated, and that new charges kept materializing as Tim refuted old ones. Whether or not we agree with Tim's world-view, it seems plain that he was treated unfairly. -- Saumya Debray, SUNY at Stony Brook uucp: {cbosgd, decvax, ihnp4, mcvax, cmcl2}!philabs \ {amd70, akgua, decwrl, utzoo}!allegra > !sbcs!debray {teklabs, hp-pcd, metheus}!ogcvax / CSNet: debray@suny-sbcs@CSNet-Relay