[soc.religion.islam] Your God = My God?

sah@cs.brown.edu (Saadia Husain) (07/30/90)

In article <1443@ntmtv.UUCP>, meckler@ntmtv.UUCP (Meckler) writes:

|>Hmm...suppose I use reason and logic to arrive at a God who behaves
|>differently from yours.  Is my religion as valid as yours?  The God I
|>believe in grants enlightenment to women and men equally, allows women
|>to choose husbands, careers, progeny.  

So you say your God enlightens men and women more equally than mine?
The God I believe in "grants enlightenment" to 

    al muslimeena wal muslimaat        men and women who surrender unto Allah 
    al-mu'mineena wal mu'minaat        men and women who believen
    al-qaaniteena wal qaanitaat        men and women who obey 
    as-saadiqeena was-saadiqaat        men and women who speak the truth 
    as-saabireena was-saabiraat        men and women who persevere 
    al-khaashi'eena wal-khaashi'aat    men and women who are humble 
    al-mutasaddiqeena 
            wal-mutasaddiqaat          men and women who give alms
    as-saa'imeena was-saami'aat        men and women who fast 
    ...
	 "Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward"
					       [Surah 33, verse 35]

Doesn't this require exactly the same behavior from men and women?
Each quality is given in masculine and feminine form. There is nothing
that says that "Men get reward if they do XYZ, but women ...well...
that's another matter."

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Does your God allow women to choose husbands or men to choose wives by
experimenting with several choices before getting married?

If so, then my God is definitely not the one you believe in.
My God allowes women and men to choose a spouse based on the virtues of that
person, not based on physical lust. 

There is absolutely nothing in Islam that prohibits a woman from 
having a career. If a women chooses not to have one, that is her decision,
perhaps with input from her husband. But isn't that the case here too?
Aren't there plenty of men who want their wife to stay home and take 
care of the kids? This phenomenon has no correlation to religion.

If a certain percentage of Muslim women in Pakistan are choosing not to have
a career, then I bet an equal percentage of Hindu women in India or 
Jewish women in Israel are also choosing not to work outside the house.

As for choosing progeny, do you mean your God lets you choose who you 
want as your kids? ... Let's see: I'll take that funny-looking one with the
green eyes  :-)


|>Of course, I would never follow
|>anything blindly.  Since reason and logic were used to find God,
|>reason and logic will scrutinize all aspects of the given religion.
|> My God expects this of those striving for enlightenment. Yours
|> apparently approves of ignorance.

If "striving for enlightenment" means creating one's own interpretation
of God's commandments, then you are correct that my God does not allow
such freedom.

  "And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when
   Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them) that they
   should (after that) claim any say in their affair...."
   [Surah 33, verse 36]

This does not say that a Muslim must accept the interpretations of other
Muslims. The leader of a nation may not make up rules, say "I am the most
enlightened in this country" and then impose them on the people, claiming
his/her interpretation to be Islam.

If on the other hand, enlightenment is gained from studying the message of
God and basing ones reasoning on some Holy Book, be it the Bible, Torah, or
Quran, then you have no basis for your statement that my God "apparently
approves of ignorance."

How many of those "striving for enlightenment" in the way you describe
(i.e use reason and logic to arrive at a God) actually bother to 
regularly read and learn the words of God? At least in Islam, people are
encouraged to "enlighten" themselves by doing so. None of the non-Muslims
I know recite passages from their Holy Book at times of hardship, at times
of happiness, and just whenever they feel like it.

Why not take the definition of God as given by God Himself, rather than
trying to arrive at it yourself? 

|>Deborah
                                                        

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