gt5599d@prism.gatech.edu (gt5599d TOLBERT,JASON ALAN) (08/22/90)
I think that it was Elijah Muhammad (from America) who said that he was both
a Christian and a Muslim. Correct me if I am wrong, but even if I am wrong,
is it possible to be Chrsitian and Muslim at the same time?
Jason
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ARPA: gt5599d@prism.gatech.edumucit@cherry.cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) (08/22/90)
In article <14583@wpi.wpi.edu>, gt5599d@prism (gt5599d TOLBERT,JASON ALAN) writes: > >I think that it was Elijah Muhammad (from America) who said that he was both >a Christian and a Muslim. Correct me if I am wrong, but even if I am wrong, >is it possible to be Chrsitian and Muslim at the same time? My understanding is that, since Islam is the latest religion from the same source and doesn't deny the prophethood of past prophets (but states that those past religions were not being practised the way they were meant to), a Muslim would also automatically be a good Christian. The Quran also talks about some former prophets being Muslims. So at least technically, it is possible. What should be noted is that the popular understanding of Christianity with the concept of trinity is considered blasphemous in Islam. Of course E. Muhammad might have said it for political reasons. -B.M. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Armudun iyisini ayilar yer. (The best of pears get eaten by bears)
muts@fysaj.fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers /100000) (08/23/90)
mucit@cherry.cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes: >My understanding is that, since Islam is the latest religion from the same >source and doesn't deny the prophethood of past prophets (but states that >those past religions were not being practised the way they were meant to), >a Muslim would also automatically be a good Christian. The Quran also >talks about some former prophets being Muslims. So at least technically, >it is possible. What should be noted is that the popular understanding >of Christianity with the concept of trinity is considered blasphemous in >Islam. I don't think one can be both. At least a Muslim cannot be a Christian because the essential thing of Christianity is that Christ is not a profet, but God Himself. Accepting this, and forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ is the only way for salvation in the Christian viewpoint. (I think a Christian could not be a Muslim in the Muslim point of view as well, because as a Christian we say that Gods Word is eternal and will never change, therefore it is impossible that after Christ someone else could have been sent by God who carries a message that is different from what Jesus taught.) -- Peter Mutsaers email: muts@fysaj.fys.ruu.nl Rijksuniversiteit Utrecht nmutsaer@ruunsa.fys.ruu.nl Princetonplein 5 tel: (+31)-(0)30-533880 3584 CG Utrecht, Netherlands
bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) (08/23/90)
In article <14583@wpi.wpi.edu> gt5599d@prism.gatech.edu (gt5599d TOLBERT,JASON ALAN) writes: >I think that it was Elijah Muhammad (from America) who said that he was both >a Christian and a Muslim. Correct me if I am wrong, but even if I am wrong, >is it possible to be Chrsitian and Muslim at the same time? I can't speak for Islam, but from a Christian point of view this is not possible: "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'" John 14:6 -- Dave Bakken Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu Dept. of Comp. Sci.; U.of Ariz. UUCP: uunet!arizona!bakken Tucson, AZ 85721; USA Bitnet: bakken%cs.arizona.edu@Arizrvax AT&T: +1 602 621 4098 FAX: +1 602 621 4246
beekun@ncar.UCAR.EDU (R. I. Beekun) (08/25/90)
In article <14595@wpi.wpi.edu> muts@fysaj.fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers /100000) writes: >I don't think one can be both. At least a Muslim cannot be a Christian >because the essential thing of Christianity is that Christ is not a profet, >but God Himself. Accepting this, and forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ > is the only way for salvation in the Christian viewpoint. From a Muslim's perspective, the true message of Jesus (Peace be upon him) is similar to the Qur'an in that both sets of revelations came from one same source: God. According to our Qur'an, Jesus (PBUH) is not the son of God or God Himself. God is Unique, Omnipotent and Ubiquitous. God does not need a Son to save mankind because each individual bears responsibility for his/her own sins. Both Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, both sinned and both were forgiven. Thus there is no need for a savior. Jesus is not God because God does not despair as Jesus allegedly did when he was on the cross. Nor does God die/become resurrected. God is eternal. [If you wish, I can cite relevant verses from the Qur'an to clarify what we, Muslims, believe.] Muslims believe that the true Christians knew the truth about Jesus, and held the same beliefs as Muslims now do with respect to this prophet and his mission. Therefore, in a sense, a true Christian (one who believed in the revelations put forth by Jesus [PBUH] ) is a Muslim and vice-versa. >(I think a Christian could not be a Muslim in the Muslim point of view as well, >because as a Christian we say that Gods Word is eternal and will never change, >therefore it is impossible that after Christ someone else could have been >sent by God who carries a message that is different from what Jesus taught.) Since there is no original text of the Bible available, and since the Bible (as we know it today) was not compiled until the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D., and since Paul (who was Saul) never even knew Jesus during Jesus's (PBUH) stay on earth, it is hard to argue that the Bible is God's Word, and therefore incorruptible. The Qur'an is different. People memorized and wrote down the quranic revelations as they were revealed. The complete version of the Quran was compiled soon after the Prophet's (PBUH) death. There is only one version of the Qur'an, and it had not changed for 1400 years. Can you make the same assetion with respect to the Bible? In fact, the GOOD NEWS bible recently changed the words of the bible into "modern terminology", and removed "sexist" and "anti-semitic" references. Is this version of the bible the correct one or is the King James version the correct one? The true Bible (which you do not have) does not contradict the Quran. >Peter Mutsaers email: muts@fysaj.fys.ruu.nl Abu Syed Marwan ............................................................................ :... We decreed for the children of : : :Israel that whosoever kills a human : : :being for other than manslaughter or : / | "" | : :corruption in the earth, it shall be : / | | | | : :as though he had killed all mankind, : | | __| | | | : :and whoso saves the life of one, it : ____|___| | <__|__|__| | : :shall be as though he had saved the : | * : :life of all mankind. (Qur'an 5: 32) : _ / : :.....................................:....................................: [Moderators note: replies to this article should remain relevant to Islam. -Behnam ]
gwydion@tavi.rice.edu (Basalat Ali Raja) (08/27/90)
In article <14596@wpi.wpi.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes: >I can't speak for Islam, but from a Christian point of view this is >not possible: > "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one > comes to the Father except through me'" > John 14:6 As I understand it, there is also the case of a non-Jewish woman who came to Jesus. He said that he had been only appointed for the Jewish people. Given the above two facts, it is easy to extrapolate if one is willing to restrict the statement that you have given to just the Jewish people; i.e. "No one" refers just to the Jews. This also happens to be the viewpoint that the Muslims espouse. Furthermore, Muslims also believe in the words of Moses, Jesus Muhammad, and all the rest of them. To deny any one of them is to deny all of them. Thus, the statement you quote above does not leave out the Muslims, given the framework they have.