jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) (07/12/90)
Jon Granrose's most recent anonymous FTP list has three sites that
claim to archive alt.sources. I thought I'd check them out. Here's
what I found:
cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu:
No archive of alt.sources is apparent.
irisa.irisa.fr:
Connection timed out.
schizo.samsung.com:
The FTP server's "dir" command is broken, use "ls" instead.
Alt.sources archived in pub/usenet-archives/alt.sources. However,
the archive consists of compressed Usenet article files, there
is no index apparent, and the most recent article is from 17may90.
sunic.sunet.se:
Connection timed out.
So basically, there is no archive of alt.sources in North America, and
there may or may not be one anywhere.
Is this really the case? I've always posted as if alt.sources was not
archived, but I still kind of assumed it was archived somewhere. I
guess not.
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Jef
Jef Poskanzer jef@well.sf.ca.us {ucbvax, apple, hplabs}!well!jef
Real Programmers don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use
functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them?roy@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) (07/12/90)
jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) writes: > So basically, there is no archive of alt.sources in North America, and > there may or may not be one anywhere. Have you tried archive@mgse? I seem to recall there being an alt.sources archive there. It's a mailserver, though, and not ftp. -- Roy M. Silvernail | #include <stdio.h> | Does virtual now available at: | main(){ | reality need cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu | float x=1; | swap space? (cyberspace... be here!)| printf("Just my $%.2f.\n",x/50);} | -- me
jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) (07/12/90)
In the referenced message, I wrote:
}Jon Granrose's most recent anonymous FTP list has three sites that
All right, so I can't count. So sue me.
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Jef
Jef Poskanzer jef@well.sf.ca.us {ucbvax, apple, hplabs}!well!jef
%NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 00000004james@dlss2.UUCP (James Cummings) (07/12/90)
In article <18978@well.sf.ca.us> Jef Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us> writes: >So basically, there is no archive of alt.sources in North America, and >there may or may not be one anywhere. > >Is this really the case? I've always posted as if alt.sources was not >archived, but I still kind of assumed it was archived somewhere. I >guess not. Speaking from the point of a system administrator, what you find archived in comp.sources."what-ever" will not be found in alt.sources. I would think that the reason most sites don't archive alt.sources or the reason that you found no apparent indexes is: the administrator would have to *manually* create the files and the indexes. I always wondered what those numbers were at the begining of comp.sources.unix postings, now I know. At least for Bnews, the news system can't parse the "free-form" subject headers of most alt.sources postings. Many of the alt.sources postings have headers like so: <please excuse the size> Newsgroups: alt.sources Subject: Re: Update to getarg Message-ID: <1990Jul11.124210.24079@druid.uucp> Date: 11 Jul 90 12:42:10 GMT References: <1990Jul11.003712.21570@druid.uucp> Reply-To: darcy@druid.UUCP (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Distribution: alt Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting, West Hill, Ontario Lines: 516 Newsgroups: alt.sources Subject: A .signature changing program Message-ID: <26992667.88f@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> Date: 10 Jul 90 00:50:47 GMT Reply-To: dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) Organization: Card Carrying Member of the ACLU Lines: 115 From: lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl,alt.sources Subject: Re: uumerge.pl Message-ID: <8662@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> Date: 10 Jul 90 02:09:26 GMT References: <1990Jul7.182135.19069@alembic.acs.com> <qskfe2.[75@smurf.sub.org> <3317@tuminfo1.lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de> Reply-To: lwall@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Larry Wall) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 45 As you can see the form is different. There is a real lack of consistency in the Subject lines that are to be parsed by the archive program. (Larry Wall's posting was even a reply to some other posting). Possibly if someone would like to start moderating the group or get together with others and develop a subject header that would be useable by archive...... -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ |Disclaimer: | James Cummings | | You can't blame me! | UUCP: | | I'm ignorant! | ..swblat!{texbell!texnet.. | |+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+| swgate!dlss1..}!dlss2!james | |Send flames to: | NET: | | sowc@devnull.com | jc@smunews | | | | =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) (07/12/90)
In article <18978@well.sf.ca.us> Jef Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us> writes: > So basically, there is no archive of alt.sources in North America, and > there may or may not be one anywhere. Well, we've been archiving it here at Ferranti and at Sugar, but in neither case are we a regular "archive" site... we don't have the resources. The big problem with archiving alt.sources is where to put files... damn few of the postings have archive-name headers, and so they get put on the TODO pile underneath all the real source. Perhaps if people were more careful about their postings there would be a few real archives out there. -- Peter da Silva. `-_-' +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.ferranti.com>
jef@well.sf.ca.us (Jef Poskanzer) (07/13/90)
In the referenced message, peter@ficc.ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) wrote: }Perhaps if people were more careful about their postings there would be }a few real archives out there. The one inactive archive I found, of compressed article files (e.g. 881.Z, 882.Z, 883.Z) would have been perfectly acceptable if there had been an index. And an index could be as simple as a filename - subject list. In other words, "Wrong." --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@well.sf.ca.us {ucbvax, apple, hplabs}!well!jef WARNING: Emits sparks. Light fuse and stand back.
archive@adesign.uucp (Archive Site Administrator) (07/15/90)
In article <18978@well.sf.ca.us> Jef Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us> writes: > So basically, there is no archive of alt.sources in North America, and > there may or may not be one anywhere. We archive alt.sources here. It is not very clean, nor very complete. Not very clean because, as everybody pointed out, there is not a consistent policy for package naming in alt.sources. Not very complete because we are in France and that we have some difficulties to receive *all* the articles in a given newsgroup (alt.sources or comp.lang.c ...). Furthermore, we don't spend time to sort the redundant postings or version evolution. If a name is already taken, we differenciate by appending a number (!). For instance you will find unzip.Z, unzip.old.Z, unzip2.Z and unzipbsd.Z. And you have no way to find out what are there differences. This is far from ideal. But our goal is not to spend hours to order this directory. We just expect to find what was posted on alt.sources. Here is the the system entry for the archive site followed by the content alt.sources archive directory. The oldest article saved is about 1,5 year old, I think. Access : gna Any ACU 1200 FRANCE140351567 "" \r gin--gin nuucp Description : ~/News (Beware, it is in french. However, it contains the important paths). No, there is no FTP entry. We are not that rich :-) ./alt: total 2111 6 ecat.Z 18 phone.Z 7 20-to-unix.Z 2 ecu/ 7 pscalendar.Z 1 AAL/ 4 edbh.pl.Z 7 purge.Z 15 Directory 1 emacs-8bit/ 13 qt.Z 13 JCrypt 27 face2ps.Z 4 qtime.Z 26 Msets 17 fastsort.Z 8 rap.Z 1 PBMPLUS/ 24 fcclipper.Z 17 rb.Z 1 QRT1.5/ 7 flockxenix.Z 47 rnhack.patch.Z 108 QRTSRC15.TAR.Z 12 gameoflife.Z 9 sendmail.perl 13 TU78.Z 1 gcc-gas-xenix/ 1 shadow2/ 1 XBBS/ 12 getoptx.Z 1 shar3.24/ 1 acs/ 47 getty.Z 46 shar311.Z 1 ads/ 9 gnus-find.Z 77 shar311.patch0 5 alloca386.Z 33 hd.Z 5 shar321.patch0 5 amatch.Z 5 id.Z 33 shell_mung.c.Z 18 arbitron.pl.Z 17 initclone.Z 5 signchang.Z 14 archive.Z 10 inpath.Z 1 simped/ 22 autobounce.Z 5 inpath2.Z 31 slave-uucico.Z 22 biff.Z 1 kef/ 34 spew.Z 1 browse-tcl/ 8 loadsv.Z 18 squig.Z 14 browse.Z 22 lock.Z 1 stdio/ 4 browse.patch.Z 1 ls.out.Z 15 strings.Z 40 browse2.Z 1 mandel/ 22 sun-mouse.Z 22 btoa-tarmail.Z 5 mapstats.Z 19 sunrpc.Z 7 calendar.Z 1 memacs/ 1 tcl/ 4 callscript.Z 10 memchat.Z 1 teleplay/ 1 card/ 1 menu/ 30 teleplay.Z 23 cgrind.Z 30 mines.Z 1 terminfo/ 1 chat/ 3 mm2me.awk.Z 6 time.Z 27 checkpoint.Z 6 mortgage.Z 9 timestamp.Z 12 checkvirus.Z 3 ms2me.awk.Z 101 treeD 16 chksys.Z 28 multicast.Z 50 uemacs.Z 5 chmod.Z 20 mx.Z 1 uncmp/ 5 clock.Z 12 nap.Z 28 unzip.Z 10 cockney.Z 15 ndbm.Z 30 unzip.old.Z 4 conv.Z 44 newline.Z 36 unzip2.Z 4 conv2.Z 1 obfuscated/ 40 unzipbsd.Z 44 cookies.Z 14 ofile.Z 23 uutraf.Z 42 cookies1.Z 3 old-browse-p.Z 39 uzap.Z 1 crisp/ 62 parsearg.Z 1 xcomm/ 7 cryptext.Z 12 parsearg.patch 36 xfax.Z 8 date.Z 7 paternmatch.Z 12 xxencode.Z 1 dawgutils/ 1 pckterm/ 45 yow.Z 31 debug-amiga.Z 1 perl/ 3 ypmatch.Z 10 des-test.Z 10 perlqinstall.Z ./alt/AAL: total 80 8 part02.Z 7 part04.Z 10 part06.Z 18 part08.Z 2 part01.Z 3 part03.Z 9 part05.Z 23 part07.Z ./alt/PBMPLUS: total 653 35 part04.Z 42 part08.Z 37 part12.Z 36 part16.Z 38 part01.Z 41 part05.Z 36 part09.Z 37 part13.Z 40 part17.Z 38 part02.Z 34 part06.Z 42 part10.Z 36 part14.Z 20 part18.Z 37 part03.Z 24 part07.Z 41 part11.Z 39 part15.Z ./alt/QRT1.5: total 402 39 input.Z 136 source.Z 161 documentation 66 qrt2gif.Z ./alt/XBBS: total 1115 87 part02.Z 90 part05.Z 89 part08.Z 89 part11.Z 1 README 87 part03.Z 90 part06.Z 89 part09.Z 87 part12.Z 88 part01.Z 84 part04.Z 88 part07.Z 89 part10.Z 57 part13.Z ./alt/acs: total 258 7 part00.Z 91 part01.Z 91 part02.Z 69 part03.Z ./alt/ads: total 85 30 part01.Z 28 part02.Z 27 part03.Z ./alt/browse-tcl: total 58 1 doc/ 45 part01.Z 1 alpha/ 8 newmacros.Z 3 patch1.Z ./alt/browse-tcl/alpha: total 70 53 part01.Z 17 part02.Z ./alt/browse-tcl/doc: total 96 55 part01.Z 41 part02.Z ./alt/card: total 104 53 part01.Z 51 part02.Z ./alt/chat: total 256 47 part02.Z 44 part04.Z 33 part06.Z 49 part01.Z 45 part03.Z 38 part05.Z ./alt/crisp: total 225 44 part01.Z 37 part16.Z 44 part26.Z 12 missing.Z 39 part15.Z 45 part24.Z 4 resume.Z ./alt/dawgutils: total 14 14 update1.shar.Z ./alt/ecu: total 1337 27 part13.Z 28 part26.Z 28 part39.Z 31 part01.Z 27 part14.Z 29 part27.Z 28 part40.Z 27 part02.Z 27 part15.Z 25 part28.Z 30 part41.Z 28 part03.Z 26 part16.Z 32 part29.Z 29 part42.Z 27 part04.Z 23 part17.Z 28 part30.Z 29 part43.Z 27 part05.Z 24 part18.Z 26 part31.Z 28 part44.Z 25 part06.Z 25 part19.Z 29 part32.Z 26 part45.Z 27 part07.Z 28 part20.Z 29 part33.Z 28 part46.Z 27 part08.Z 27 part21.Z 30 part34.Z 6 part47.Z 24 part09.Z 24 part22.Z 30 part35.Z 21 part48.Z 27 part10.Z 29 part23.Z 32 part36.Z 21 patch01.Z 27 part11.Z 29 part24.Z 29 part37.Z 8 patch02.Z 26 part12.Z 27 part25.Z 29 part38.Z 13 patch03.Z ./alt/emacs-8bit: total 406 41 part03.Z 32 part06.Z 30 part09.Z 31 part12.Z 43 part01.Z 26 part04.Z 32 part07.Z 24 part10.Z 41 part02.Z 40 part05.Z 33 part08.Z 33 part11.Z ./alt/gcc-gas-xenix: total 91 52 part01.Z 39 part02.Z ./alt/kef: total 60 4 README 56 part01.Z ./alt/mandel: total 161 107 README 54 part02.Z ./alt/memacs: total 172 36 memacs.2.Z 34 memacs.4.Z 23 memacs.6.Z 6 memacs.1.Z 39 memacs.3.Z 34 memacs.5.Z ./alt/menu: total 402 35 part03.Z 37 part06.Z 36 part09.Z 39 part01.Z 34 part04.Z 35 part07.Z 41 part10.Z 40 part02.Z 38 part05.Z 34 part08.Z 33 part11.Z ./alt/obfuscated: total 77 77 1990.Z ./alt/pckterm: total 601 106 part01.Z 104 part03.Z 108 part05.Z 10 README 101 part02.Z 103 part04.Z 69 part06.Z ./alt/perl: total 176 39 patch02.Z 49 patch04.Z 35 patch01.Z 50 patch03.Z 3 patch05.Z ./alt/shadow2: total 115 3 part00.Z 48 part01.Z 42 part02.Z 22 part03.Z ./alt/shar3.24: total 67 49 part01.Z 18 part02.Z ./alt/simped: total 61 35 part01.Z 26 part02.Z ./alt/stdio: total 141 65 part01.Z 39 part02.Z 37 part03.Z ./alt/tcl: total 25 25 streams.Z ./alt/teleplay: total 40 23 part01.Z 17 part02.Z ./alt/terminfo: total 210 45 part02.Z 45 part04.Z 51 part01.Z 43 part03.Z 26 part05.Z ./alt/uncmp: total 65 49 part01.Z 16 part02.Z ./alt/xcomm: total 170 34 part1.Z 55 part2.Z 81 part3.Z
karl@ficc.ferranti.com (Karl Lehenbauer) (07/30/90)
We have been archiving alt.sources, comp.sources.d, comp.sources.bugs, the PC, Amiga, Mac and ST sources and binaries and the rest of the usual groups at sugar.hackercorp.com since around February of this year. (The sugar archives include autogenerated index files containing filenames and article subjects, thanks to a modified version of arcnews used there) ficc.ferranti.com has alt.sources back to December '89, but these files have been sifted, named and moved about while the sugar ones used the archive-name header if it was present or used the date-received plus process ID of arcnews for uniqueness. Which is preferable is a matter of opinion. (The sugar archives are complete for the time period they cover -- even BIFF's C0WABUNGA posting is in there -- at least for now) Trouble is neither site is directly on the Internet, nor can they particularly support mailserver access, etc. (The archives are available to callers of the Sugar Land Unix BBS at 713-438-5018) I would be interested in forwarding a tape or arranging some other kind of one-shot vacuum cleaner operation to an Internet site willing to host an alt.sources archive where they would be grabbing future postings on their own. Email if you're qualified and interested. -- -- uunet!ficc!karl "I am here by the will of the people and I won't leave uunet!sugar!karl until I get my raincoat back." -- Metrophage