c8902477@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Bernard Schmitz) (04/09/91)
Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I will anyway... I'm not actually looking for source (it would be nice!) but I need some formulas to model the effects of a nuclear detonation. Not the global effects of hundreds of them, but only the short term local effects of one or two. There was an article in BYTE years ago that gave stuff like radation doseage and EMP range, but what I really need is something that will tell me things like the size of the fireball created depending on the megatonnage and the expansion rate of the fireball. I don't know if there is such a formula but if anyone knows anything about it could you mail me? Thanks... -- Bernard Schmitz c8902477@cc.newcastle.edu.au
tgades@skadi.physics.stolaf.edu (Anthony M Gades) (04/11/91)
In article <-283049997@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> gstanfld@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Gill Stanfield) writes: >I think you should just turn your computer off and kiss your *ss goodbye. >That should be an accurate model of the local effects of a nuke! > >:-) Holy smokes, what a brain child this guy must be. One of these people who think that it is better to live in ignorance. I think that a simulation would be very interesting, and one might learn some physics. It is too bad that such a request immediately draws such comments as the one above, as they help no person that I know. good job bonehead. tgades -- -------------------------------------------------------------- _________ Tony Gades St. Olaf College, / / Northfield, MN 55057 / / tel (507)-663-2725
gstanfld@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Gill Stanfield) (04/11/91)
I think you should just turn your computer off and kiss your *ss goodbye. That should be an accurate model of the local effects of a nuke! :-)
mskuhn@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn) (04/14/91)
Just look at A. Robson: A computer method for predicting fall-out levels (p. 411) in IAEA Peaceful Nuclear Explosions III, Vienna 1974. Hope this helps. Markus -- Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -- University of Erlangen, Germany E-mail: G=Markus;S=Kuhn;OU1=rrze;OU2=cnve;P=uni-erlangen;A=dbp;C=de
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Squires) (04/15/91)
The Office of Civil Defense published a book called "Nuclear Weapons Effects". It was used in CD training classes. It contains equations and nomographs that will let you determine how quickly an air, land, or water burst will demolish various structures. GE published a little booklet in the '60's (the may still do it) that contained a nuclear weapons effects slide rule, plus similar tables. In terms of computer software the most famous isprobably the SIR NEM model (Strategic International Relations Nuclear Exchange Model) created by the Agency for Interscience Methodology in Chicago in the 70's which was run by ACDA and by the Joint Strategic Targeting Planning Staff. Another model still apparently in use is the Arsenal Exchange Model which was less disaggregated. (This is current as of 1980, the last time I spent much time in this area..) The sources for SIR NEM were available from ACDA at one time, with all the comments removed (except for the JSTPS line numbers!). An interesting aside: when I recompiled a version of AEM that I know was used during the SALT I talks I was interested to find 13 FORTRAN errors missed by the more primitive compilers of the early 70's (CDC 3600 FTN). These were all uninitialized variables. Now, about that 100% reliability you promised.... -- Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu) 812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h) mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu 546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408 Under construction: mikes@sir-alan.cica.indiana.edu
amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend) (04/15/91)
tgades@skadi.physics.stolaf.edu (Anthony M Gades) writes: >In article <-283049997@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> gstanfld@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Gill Stanfield) writes: >Holy smokes, what a brain child this guy must be. One of these people >who think that it is better to live in ignorance. >I think that a simulation would be very interesting, and one might >learn some physics. >It is too bad that such a request immediately draws such comments as >the one above, as they help no person that I know. I've seen many charts, graphs, etc. on the subject of nuclear devistation, detonation, etc. These feature the details of time lag, distance cloud travels, temperatures, height of cloud, etc. Really interesting from the standpoint of learning how incredible nuclear bombs can be. I'd think the best place to look would be the ol' library (why not?). Though the math involved is going to be a pain.. the resulting data is neat (especially when brought to common-terms). By far this is all going to take a lot of work [research]... seems like anything to do with details on nuclear subjects is hard to find. As to finding a computer program directly to do the modeling.. GOOD LUCK. I think the research & design-it-yourself method will prove more valuable (especially in terms of what you learn). Just entering X and saying Y happens isn't going to mean a lot.. -- --------------------------------------///------------------------------------ Scott Rowin /// amigo@milton.u.washington.edu *********** /// - SPACE OPEN FOR LEASE - \-\_/// Amigas really do it better...
gstanfld@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Gill Stanfield) (04/16/91)
}In article <-283049997@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> gstanfld@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Gill Sta }nfield) writes: }>I think you should just turn your computer off and kiss your *ss goodbye. }>That should be an accurate model of the local effects of a nuke! }> }>:-) }Holy smokes, what a brain child this guy must be. One of these people }who think that it is better to live in ignorance. My apologies to Tony Gades and all other people who took my comment as a waste of their disc space; I only meant it in humor (hence, the ":-)")... Please don't interpret my levity as a sign of ignorance or the desire to live in ignorance. Actually, I think it *would* be pretty interesting to see a model of this stuff. I have discussed such simulations with people working at Livermore and testing areas in New Mexico, but am unaware of the specifics names of such simulations. It appears that other people have posted some information that will be worthwhile to Bernard Schmitz and others reading this notes group. }I think that a simulation would be very interesting, and one might }learn some physics. }It is too bad that such a request immediately draws such comments as }the one above, as they help no person that I know. Perhaps one might learn to take life a little less seriously, Tony. Regards, gill