[net.followup] equal pay for women

howard@metheus.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) (05/22/84)

Those who have been following the discussion on Allstate Insurance may be
interested in an article titled "Vernacular Gender" by Ivan Illich in a recent
issue of CoEvolution Quarterly.  One of the points he makes is that the ratio
of women's pay to men's pay has remained utterly constant at 59% plus or minus
3% across all times and all cultures for which this data exists.  (Note: I'm
not 100% sure I remembered this figure right, but I think it is.)  This hints
at the existence of a cause independent of specific cultures.  THERE HAS
BEEN NO IMPROVEMENT IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.  The only thing that has changed is
that more women are now earning salaries and are thus subject to this easily
measured form of discrimination.

Illich argues that this is a necessary effect of industrial society, and that
it cannot be undone without a lowering of economic expectations.  He has
many interesting examples, such as a German town where the divorce rate
boomed when the people changed from subsistence farming to cash crops.
In the olden days, there were well defined gender-related economic roles that
people played out.  Even the tools used for similar tasks were different for
men and women.  Modern economics has crushed this by demanding that all
work be unisex, i.e., performable by either men or women.  He views this as
necessary to the discrimination we now observe.

Illich does not attempt to explain in this article why men, and not women,
ended up on top in this inequality.  He merely tries to show why and how
the inequality was able/forced to develop, and what he feels must be done to
eliminate it.  I don't agree with all of it, but it is well-argued.

	Howard A. Landman
	ogcvax!metheus!howard

mjk@tty3b.UUCP (Mike Kelly) (05/25/84)

From: howard@metheus.UUCP (Howard A. Landman) [referring to an article
  by Ivan Illich]:

 One of the points he makes is that the ratio
 of women's pay to men's pay has remained utterly constant at 59% plus or minus
 3% across all times and all cultures for which this data exists.

Although I'm reluctant to challenge Ivan Illich, he (or Howard) has erred
on this.  Pay equity is closer to 89% in Sweden, and other progressive
countries have also made large strides.  The problem is political and
economic, not genital.

Mike Kelly
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