[comp.sys.m88k] Data General Aviion 7000, 8000

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) (03/15/91)

  Can anyone from Data General elaborate on the
architecture/capabilities of these machines?  I looked in the paper
this morning, but there was no report, and only the picture of the
pizza box and what looked like a 4 processor 88K system.


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jay@tscs.uucp (Jay Ts) (03/16/91)

In article <1991Mar14.183029.11714@neon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>
>  Can anyone from Data General elaborate on the
>architecture/capabilities of these machines?  I looked in the paper
>this morning, but there was no report, and only the picture of the
>pizza box and what looked like a 4 processor 88K system.

(I am not absolutely sure of the enclosed information; it was obtained
from the local DG sales office only one day after the official product intro)

The 7000/8000 Aviions are quad-processor servers.  Four 25 MHz 88000's
yield 117 MIPS of performance.  Price for an entry level 7000 (with only
16 Mb RAM and 660 Mb disk (?) ) is $96,650.  Both 7000 and 8000 are
expandable, but the 8000 is much more so.

I don't think they fit into a pizza box.

miller@ghost.rtp.dg.com (Mark Miller) (03/16/91)

In article <1991Mar14.183029.11714@neon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>
>  Can anyone from Data General elaborate on the
>architecture/capabilities of these machines?  I looked in the paper
>this morning, but there was no report, and only the picture of the
>pizza box and what looked like a 4 processor 88K system.
>

	Since you asked ;-), here's some corporate press drival which
	may answer your questions. . .

              
              117-MIPS AViiON Systems To Be Unveiled
              At a press conference to be held in New York City
              today Data General will add to its industry-leading
              family of AViiON RISC-based systems, announcing new
              systems that deliver 117 MIPS performance at prices
              starting at $96,000. 
              
              Data General will unveil the new AViiON 7000 and
              8000 computer series and the quad-processor board
              which is the heart of the new systems.
              
              "With today's announcement, for the first time,
              businesses will be able to run software
              applications that have required mainframe
              performance on microprocessor-based open systems at
              costs that are orders of magnitude lower," says Ron
              Skates, president and chief executive officer.
              
              Among the products being announced are:
              o    The AViiON AV 8000 packaged systems.  A 117
                   MIPS rackmount system is configured with Data
                   General's new high performance, high
                   availability 24 gigabyte (billions of
                   characters) disk array subsystem and DG/UX 5.4
                   UNIX operating system.  The AV 8000 system can
                   support up to eight local area networks and
                   1275 asynchronous terminals.  
              
              o    The AViiON AV 7000 packaged systems.  A
                   desk-side office package providing a 117 MIPs
                   server, that can be configured with a high
                   performance disk array subsystem, DG/UX 5.4,
                   and an uninterruptible power supply. 
              
              o    The new AViiON quad-processor board, which
                   includes four 25 MHZ Motorola 88100 RISC
                   processors and eight of Motorola's new 88204
                   cache/memory management chips totaling 512,000
                   characters of cache memory.  The new
                   quad-processor board also is available today
                   as an upgrade to existing AViiON AV 5000 and
                   AV 6000 servers.
               
              o    Complementing the new quad-processor are the
                   new High Availability Disk Array (HADA)
                   subsystem and the Combined Storage Subsystem 2
                   disk array.  Based on leading-edge RAID
                   (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks)
                   technology, the high performance HADA system
                   offers up to 24 gigabytes of redundant storage
                   capacity to provide virtually uninterruptable
                   data access.
              
              o    DG/UX 5.4. Data General is the first major
                   systems supplier to offer a UNIX operating
                   system based on AT&T's System V, Release 4,
                   that supports fully symmetric
                   multi-processing.  Data General enhancements
                   support high availability features such as
                   disk mirroring and security options such as C2
                   and B1 trust levels which are mandated in high
                   security government environments.
              
              "Data General has taken the lead in delivering
              high-end commercial UNIX products," says Ron.  "Our
              new AViiON systems set a standard by which other
              high-end open systems will be measured.  While
              other companies have promised computer systems like
              this, Data General is the first to deliver with an
              unbeatable combination of performance, system
              capacity, highly available disk subsystem with a
              multi-processing UNIX.
              
              "These products will open new markets for Data
              General," adds Ron.  "We can now service an
              enterprise's information needs from a 17 MIPS
              workstation to a 117 MIPS high performance system."
              
              Today's product introductions extend the breadth of
              Data General's AViiON systems.  The new systems
              start in price at $96,000 for a desk-side server
              with 16MB of memory, 662MB hard disk, 525MB QIC
              storage tape, and offer a low cost $391 per
              megabyte of memory, and $8,000 per gigabyte of
              disk.
              
              The AViiON product line gives customers access to
              over 1,500 software applications available through
              co-operative arrangements with independent software
              vendors and VARs.  
              
                        (Corporate Communications)
              
>
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	Mark T. Miller					miller@dg-rtp.dg.com
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guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (03/17/91)

>I don't think they fit into a pizza box.

The CPU board apparently does; at least, in the ads, they'd fit one into
a pizza box.  I assume all four 88Ks are on the board in question....

jay@tscs.uucp (Jay Ts) (03/18/91)

In article <6691@auspex.auspex.com> guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) writes:
>>I don't think they fit into a pizza box.
>
>The CPU board apparently does; at least, in the ads, they'd fit one into
>a pizza box.  I assume all four 88Ks are on the board in question....

Which ads are you referring to?  Perhaps they were just showing an Aviion
workstation for aesthetic reasons??  The servers are rather boring to look at;
just big boxes.

The sales literature I have shows pictures of Aviion systems ranging
from pizza box workstation to 5-foot tall 6000-series server.  The 6000
series is expandable up to 208 Mb memory, 19 VME cards, 25.9 Gb disk, 3 (?)
tape drives and hundreds of async communications lines.  My guess is that
the 8000 server is similar to that, but higher performance, with the 7000
being more like the somewhat smaller 5000 series (about 2 feet high, but
still quite wide).

Of course, there's nothing keeping them from making a 117 MIPS workstation.
I expect we'll be seeing those too.

cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (Dave Cochran) (03/18/91)

In article <1991Mar15.175502.22610@tscs.uucp>, jay@tscs.uucp (Jay Ts) writes:
|> 
|> I don't think they fit into a pizza box.
|> 

For what it's worth, the BOARD is touted as fitting into a pizza box,
not the entire machine.

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goudreau@larrybud.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) (03/19/91)

In article <6691@auspex.auspex.com>, guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) writes:
> >I don't think they fit into a pizza box.
> 
> The CPU board apparently does; at least, in the ads, they'd fit one into
> a pizza box.  I assume all four 88Ks are on the board in question....

Correct.  Four 88100 CPUs, and eight 88200 CMMUs.  DG will provide a
free upgrade to 88204 CMMUs when they become available in quantity
from Motorola.

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jcallen@Encore.COM (Jerry Callen) (03/19/91)

In article <1991Mar15.175502.22610@tscs.uucp> jay@tscs.UUCP writes:
>(I am not absolutely sure of the enclosed information; it was obtained
>from the local DG sales office only one day after the official product intro)
>
>The 7000/8000 Aviions are quad-processor servers.  Four 25 MHz 88000's
>yield 117 MIPS of performance.

Squeezing 117 MIPS out of (4 x 25MHz = 100 million machine clock ticks per
second) using a non-superscaler chip is an interesting accomplishment. Of
course, since 1 MIPS is a number that bears no relationship to anything
other than the willingness of marketing people to lie, I guess it's a fair
claim.

>I don't think they fit into a pizza box.

Why not? That's at least as believable as the MIPS rating...

-- Jerry "waiting for the SPECmarks" Callen
   jcallen@encore.com

robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) (03/20/91)

Would someone from Data General give a serious explanation for the
claimed 117 MIPS figure for the new workstations?

Just saying "everybody lies, so do we" doesn't cut it.  The number must
come from somewhere.  Even outrageous numbers have some basis.  What is
the basis for 117 MIPS from the new DG machine?

I read that the workstations use four 25 MHz 88100's.  Given the
optimistic figure of 17 MIPS for a 20 MHz part (the figure given by
Motorola) implies each 25 MHz 88100 yields 21.25 MIPS, x4, that is 85
MIPS.  I believe that Motorola claims 60 MIPS for their four-CPU 20 MHz
systems.  Given this, that would put the DG machines at 75 MIPS.  And
scaling the MIPS figures with clock speed assumes that the memory
system can be sped up without problems.

And of course, these DG figures are aggregate MIPS, not single CPU
MIPS, so it is meaningless to compare a 40 MIPS SUN to a ?? MIPS DG
machine.  If the load is single thread, the fastest SUNs, MIPSco
machines, and the IBM RS/6000 will win.

Someone from DG, please help us understand your company's claims.

	Robert Bedichek                robertb@cs.washington.edu

fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott E. Townsend) (03/20/91)

In article <1991Mar16.151948.14745@dg-rtp.dg.com> miller@ghost.rtp.dg.com (Mark Miller) writes:
>In article <1991Mar14.183029.11714@neon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>>
>>  Can anyone from Data General elaborate on the
>>architecture/capabilities of these machines?  I looked in the paper
>>this morning, but there was no report, and only the picture of the
>>pizza box and what looked like a 4 processor 88K system.
>>
>
>	Since you asked ;-), here's some corporate press drival which
>	may answer your questions. . .
>
	[ stuff deleted ]
>              
>              o    The new AViiON quad-processor board, which
>                   includes four 25 MHZ Motorola 88100 RISC
>                   processors and eight of Motorola's new 88204
>                   cache/memory management chips totaling 512,000
>                   characters of cache memory.  The new
>                   quad-processor board also is available today
>                   as an upgrade to existing AViiON AV 5000 and
>                   AV 6000 servers.

Can anyone provide some comparison information between the 'old' 88200 and
this new 88204 chip?  Would they just happen to be pin-compatible?  I wouldn't
mind a larger cache! (apparently the 88204 has 64K, our 88200's only 16K)

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guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (03/21/91)

>>The CPU board apparently does; at least, in the ads, they'd fit one into
>>a pizza box.  I assume all four 88Ks are on the board in question....
>
>Which ads are you referring to?  Perhaps they were just showing an Aviion
>workstation for aesthetic reasons??  The servers are rather boring to look at;
>just big boxes.

When I said "pizza box", I meant "pizza box", as in "the sort of
cardboard box that pizzas come in", not "the sort of workstation box
that's roughly the size of the box pizzas come in".

When I said "CPU board", I meant "CPU board", as in "a large printed
circuit board holding the CPU chips and various other chips" (or, at
least, that I infer holds the CPU chips), not "the entire workstation or
server". 

The ads were in, as I remember, the San Francisco Chronicle, or perhaps
the San Jose Mercury News.

And yes, the CPU board really *was* in a pizza box.  It wasn't a
*system*, it was a *CPU board*; such little items as power supplies,
etc. were missing.

mslater@cup.portal.com (Michael Z Slater) (03/21/91)

>Can anyone provide some comparison information between the 'old' 88200 and
>this new 88204 chip?  Would they just happen to be pin-compatible?  I wouldn't
>mind a larger cache! (apparently the 88204 has 64K, our 88200's only 16K)

The 88204 is pin-compatible with the 88200 and is identical in function to the
88200, except for having four times as much cache. It is also priced about the
same as the 88200 was at introduction! ($495 in 1000s, production promised for
April.)

Michael Slater, Microprocessor Report   mslater@cup.portal.com

greene@sequoia.rtp.dg.com (jon greene) (03/22/91)

In article <15515@june.cs.washington.edu>, robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) writes:
|> Would someone from Data General give a serious explanation for the
|> claimed 117 MIPS figure for the new workstations?

These systems are servers...not workstations.

|> 
|> Just saying "everybody lies, so do we" doesn't cut it.  The number must
|> come from somewhere.  Even outrageous numbers have some basis.  What is
|> the basis for 117 MIPS from the new DG machine?

It is based on Dhrystone performance relative to the VAX 11/780.  This is consistent with industry practice and is openly acknowledged by DG.

|> 
|> I read that the workstations use four 25 MHz 88100's.  Given the
|> optimistic figure of 17 MIPS for a 20 MHz part (the figure given by
|> Motorola) implies each 25 MHz 88100 yields 21.25 MIPS, x4, that is 85
|> MIPS.  I believe that Motorola claims 60 MIPS for their four-CPU 20 MHz
|> systems.  Given this, that would put the DG machines at 75 MIPS.  And
|> scaling the MIPS figures with clock speed assumes that the memory
|> system can be sped up without problems.
|>
 
I'm not sure where you got the Motorola numbers.  I have in front of me a press release for the Motorola MPC 100 where they claim 27 MIPs for a 20MHz system.

|> And of course, these DG figures are aggregate MIPS, not single CPU
|> MIPS, so it is meaningless to compare a 40 MIPS SUN to a ?? MIPS DG
|> machine.  If the load is single thread, the fastest SUNs, MIPSco
|> machines, and the IBM RS/6000 will win.
|> 

As noted above, the AViiON 7000 and 8000 series machines are servers, not single user workstations.  Therefore, they are intended to run many processes, not one single-threaded process.  For this type of environment, an efficient SMP implementation such as in DG/UX is required.  To my knowledge, none of the vendors that you listed support SMP operation.

|> Someone from DG, please help us understand your company's claims.
|>
 
I hope that I have.

|> 	Robert Bedichek                robertb@cs.washington.edu

Jon Greene
Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

I'm sure it's obvious, but I'll say it anyway....I speak only for myself and not as a representative of my employer.

lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com (Donald Lewine) (03/22/91)

In article <15515@june.cs.washington.edu>, robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) writes:
|> Would someone from Data General give a serious explanation for the
|> claimed 117 MIPS figure for the new workstations?
|> 
OK.  The MIPS quoted are Dhrystone MIPS.  They mean that you can
get 117 more Dhrystones per second from an AViiON 7000 than from
a VAX-11/780.  I don't like this method of MIPS rating, however, 
it is the way the press likes to quote MIPS.  It has nothing to
do with how many native instructions are executed per second.
[In fact, the 1.00 MIPS VAX-11/780 executes 500,000 VAX instructions
 per second.]

A more meaningful metric is the SPEC benchmark.  The AViiON gets
an overall SPECthrughput of 54. It does even better if you leave
out the double precision nuclear physics test. 

All of these performance claims are only important relative to
price.  A basic quad processor with 16Mb of memory, 660 Mb disk,
500 Mb tape is under $100K.  A price per SPEC that is very hard
to beat.

|> 
|> And of course, these DG figures are aggregate MIPS, not single CPU
|> MIPS, so it is meaningless to compare a 40 MIPS SUN to a ?? MIPS DG
|> machine.  If the load is single thread, the fastest SUNs, MIPSco
|> machines, and the IBM RS/6000 will win.
|> 
|> Someone from DG, please help us understand your company's claims.

Sure, but DG does not care much about single thread applications.
Almost all of our business is in commercial data processing.  That
is why we offer up to 48 Gigabytes of fault-tolerant disk storage
and 768 Mb of main memory.  The single largest application for
AViiON is in hospital information systems.  Those systems have
hundreds of dumb terminals doing database accesses.

We are happy to let IBM and SUN walk off with the nuclear reactor
design business.  We focus on dull stuff like AccuCobol and Oracle.
For many of those dull applications, Data General is more than
*TEN TIMES* less expensive than a VAX or Mainframe solution. 

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deraadt@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (deraadt) (03/25/91)

In article <1991Mar22.143552.16204@webo.dg.com> lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com
(Donald Lewine) writes:
> A more meaningful metric is the SPEC benchmark.  The AViiON gets
> an overall SPECthrughput of 54. It does even better if you leave
> out the double precision nuclear physics test. 

I've been eagerly awaiting a SPEC rating rather than just a SPECthruput.
As I understand it, the SPECthruput is not just ncpu*SPEC, but some other
contortion.

Is DG afraid to give plain SPEC ratings, hiding behind SPECthruput?

So, what's the 7k and 8k SPEC out at? Integer as well, please.
 <tdr.

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meissner@osf.org (Michael Meissner) (03/26/91)

In article <1991Mar22.143552.16204@webo.dg.com> lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com (Donald Lewine) writes:

| In article <15515@june.cs.washington.edu>, robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) writes:
| |> Would someone from Data General give a serious explanation for the
| |> claimed 117 MIPS figure for the new workstations?
| |> 
| OK.  The MIPS quoted are Dhrystone MIPS.  They mean that you can
| get 117 more Dhrystones per second from an AViiON 7000 than from
| a VAX-11/780.  I don't like this method of MIPS rating, however, 
| it is the way the press likes to quote MIPS.  It has nothing to
| do with how many native instructions are executed per second.
| [In fact, the 1.00 MIPS VAX-11/780 executes 500,000 VAX instructions
|  per second.]

I tend to cringe when the marketing droids do this, particularly since
I am one of the guilty parties.

When I worked for Data General, I had originally worked on the MV C
compiler, and then switched over to the GNU C compiler.  At one point
in the development of GNU C, we came to a crisis, where the <xxx> C
compiler generated something like 26,000 dhrystones (number suspect),
and all I could get GNU C to do was about 17,000 dhrystones at the
time.  Eventually, we looked at the code generated, and discovered
that the <xxx> compiler turned:

	strcpy (buffer, "123456789012345678901234567890");

into:

	__word_copy (buffer, "123456789012345678901234567890", 31);

Ah, competitive benchmarking....  The <xxx> compiler also has a
special option to turn off this optimization.  I wonder why....

Anyway, I changed GNU C to make strcpy and memcpy builtin functions,
and got about 27,000 dhrystones.  In real live code, there aren't that
many calls of strcpy with a string literal as the second argument, but
it is in the middle of the dhrystone loop.  Memcpy calls on the other
hand, do occur quite frequently, so making them builtin is a
reasonable optimization.

| A more meaningful metric is the SPEC benchmark.  The AViiON gets
| an overall SPECthrughput of 54. It does even better if you leave
| out the double precision nuclear physics test. 

I agree whole heartily that relying on dhrystone or whetstone for your
performance measurement is kind of useless these days.  The last time
I looked at the ads, DG was at least forthright in saying they were
reporting dhrystone performance figures.

| All of these performance claims are only important relative to
| price.  A basic quad processor with 16Mb of memory, 660 Mb disk,
| 500 Mb tape is under $100K.  A price per SPEC that is very hard
| to beat.

Somebody else has mentioned that 16M of memory is rather skimpy.  I
certainly wouldn't want to run anybody's quad-RISC processor in 16M of
physical memory (660M of disk is probably on the low side too).
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jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts) (03/27/91)

In article <1991Mar18.183726.6931@dg-rtp.dg.com>, goudreau@larrybud.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau) writes:
> 
> Correct.  Four 88100 CPUs, and eight 88200 CMMUs.  DG will provide a
> free upgrade to 88204 CMMUs when they become available in quantity
> from Motorola.
> 
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> Data General Corporation		goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com
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> Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA

Bob,

Is there an upgrade path (through DG) for current Aviion workstation and
server owners?  If so, how much will it cost?

And how much does the 88204 improve performance?

				Jay Ts
				uunet!pdn!tscs!metran!jay

lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com (Donald Lewine) (03/27/91)

In article <DERAADT.91Mar24173804@fsa.fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, deraadt@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (deraadt) writes:
|> In article <1991Mar22.143552.16204@webo.dg.com> lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com
|> (Donald Lewine) writes:
|> > A more meaningful metric is the SPEC benchmark.  The AViiON gets
|> > an overall SPECthrughput of 54. It does even better if you leave
|> > out the double precision nuclear physics test. 
|> 
|> I've been eagerly awaiting a SPEC rating rather than just a SPECthruput.
|> As I understand it, the SPECthruput is not just ncpu*SPEC, but some other
|> contortion.
|> 
|> Is DG afraid to give plain SPEC ratings, hiding behind SPECthruput?
|> 
The SPECthruput measures a multi-processor.  The SPECmark measures a
uni-processor.  The thruput test runs 2xCPUS copies of the spec 
tests and measures the total time to run all of the copies.  The
SPECthruput number is what a real user would see and includes the 
scheduler overhead and any other interference effects that would
affect performance.  It is not a "contortion".

The SPECmark ratings are not meaningful because 3 of the CPUs would
be idle for the test.  The SPECthrughput was invented to measure
multiprocessor systems.


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mash@mips.com (John Mashey) (03/30/91)

In article <1313@dg.dg.com> greene@sequoia.rtp.dg.com (jon greene) writes:
>In article <15515@june.cs.washington.edu>, robertb@cs.washington.edu (Robert Bedichek) writes:
...
>|> I read that the workstations use four 25 MHz 88100's.  Given the
>|> optimistic figure of 17 MIPS for a 20 MHz part (the figure given by
 
>I'm not sure where you got the Motorola numbers.  I have in front of me a press release for the Motorola MPC 100 where they claim 27 MIPs for a 20MHz system.

Early on, 20MHz 88K's were labeled by Motorola as 17-mips, in any of the
literature I saw.  Whenever the MPCs were introduced, they switched to
dhrystone mips and then got labeled as 27-mips.
I suspect this is wheere the conflicting views came from.

Of course, various vendors are more or less careful to label
dhrystone-mips as dhrystone mips, or not.  Somtimes the Dhrystone
part has a tendencey to disappear :-)
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deraadt@fsa (deraadt) (03/31/91)

In article <1991Mar27.135031.29533@webo.dg.com> lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com (Donald Lewine) writes:

   In article <DERAADT.91Mar24173804@fsa.fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, deraadt@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (deraadt) writes:
   |> In article <1991Mar22.143552.16204@webo.dg.com> lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com
   |> (Donald Lewine) writes:
   |> > A more meaningful metric is the SPEC benchmark.  The AViiON gets
   |> > an overall SPECthrughput of 54. It does even better if you leave
   |> > out the double precision nuclear physics test. 
   |> 
   |> I've been eagerly awaiting a SPEC rating rather than just a SPECthruput.
   |> As I understand it, the SPECthruput is not just ncpu*SPEC, but some other
   |> contortion.
   |> 
   |> Is DG afraid to give plain SPEC ratings, hiding behind SPECthruput?
   |> 
   The SPECthruput measures a multi-processor.  The SPECmark measures a
   uni-processor.  The thruput test runs 2xCPUS copies of the spec 
   tests and measures the total time to run all of the copies.  The
   SPECthruput number is what a real user would see and includes the 
   scheduler overhead and any other interference effects that would
   affect performance.  It is not a "contortion".

   The SPECmark ratings are not meaningful because 3 of the CPUs would
   be idle for the test.  The SPECthrughput was invented to measure
   multiprocessor systems.

So, what is the Spec on one processor, rest idle. That's what I am asking.
I think that spec on one processor is important, because it's the only
way that the aviion multi's can be compared to uniprocessors. uniprocessor
specthruput does not get posted often.

So, what is the specmark for one processor, 3 idle?
 <tdr.
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lewine@cheshirecat.webo.dg.com (Donald Lewine) (04/02/91)

In article <DERAADT.91Mar31014747@fsa.fsa>, deraadt@fsa (deraadt) writes:
[[Discussion about SPECmark vs SPECthruput deleted]]
|> 
|> So, what is the specmark for one processor, 3 idle?
|>  <tdr.
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