bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) (02/13/90)
Formal call for discussion
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This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
soc.culture newsgroup.
The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share
their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture
newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
news.groups newsgroup.
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* Bob Boulanger Verdix Corporation *
* bob@verdix.com 1600 NW Compton Drive *
* (503)690-1116(w) (503)357-4644(h) Aloha, OR 97006 *bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) (02/15/90)
Formal call for discussion
==========================
This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
soc.culture newsgroup.
The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share
their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture
newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
news.groups newsgroup.
*********************************************************************
* Bob Boulanger Verdix Corporation *
* bob@verdix.com 1600 NW Compton Drive *
* (503)690-1116(w) (503)357-4644(h) Aloha, OR 97006 *efsl@tahoma.UUCP (Michael D. Riston) (02/16/90)
In article <234@verdix.verdix.com>, bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > > Formal call for discussion > ========================== > This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German > soc.culture newsgroup. > The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended > to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share > their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture > newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans. > If we include other French-speakers in a proposed soc.culture.french, I would propose something analogous for a soc.culture.german: Austrians, Swiss-Germans, Alsatians, Eupener-Belgians and such should be invited and encouraged to contribute. That said, I believe both newsgroups would provide worthwhile forums on the net. We already enjoy the range of opinions expressed in soc.culture.nordic, as well as the numerous soc. culture.asian groups, and others too, with net-contributors interested in things African, Arabic, Greek, and virtually everywhere else. Given that Germany is a focus of world attention, with its dynamic economic success (can it be true? Germany now has the world's largest trade surplus, at $88 billion?), and the impending reunification of the Federal Republic with the soon-to-be-former Democratic Republic, the creation of soc.culture.germanic is certainly timely. And given the ongoing contributions of French culture to the modern world, I see the creation of soc.culture.french as similarly positive, with French, Belgian, Quebecois, and other French-influenced cultures joining in. -- These opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- Don efsl@tahoma ...!bcstec!tahoma!efsl
MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) (02/18/90)
I think soc.culture.german will be a most beneficial addition to the cultural
newsgroups. With all the things happening in central Europe right now, a group
to discuss Germany and Germans (and german speaking peoples - ie Austrians,
and Swiss), would be an opportune place to discuss such issues, as well as the
past history, and other cultural stuff.
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Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei-
ben, wenn moeglich.
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MRB118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU "Fuer das leibliche Wohl
ist bestens gesorgt."dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) (02/18/90)
In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes:
#Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei-
You can. But those of us of German descent who do not speak German would
feel terribly left out.
Douglas Krause One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
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University of California, Irvine Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsaeob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) (02/19/90)
From article <25DE69BA.13757@orion.oac.uci.edu>, by dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause): > In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes: > #Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei- > > You can. But those of us of German descent who do not speak German would > feel terribly left out. > I hope there is plenty of German as I would like to practice reading and writing the language. Ich moechte Deutsch lernen. Ich moechte in Deutschland arbeiten. -- Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not speaking for the company, I'm just losing my mind.
JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu (John Wagner) (02/20/90)
Formal call for discussion
==========================
>This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
>soc.culture newsgroup.
>The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
>to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and
>share their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in ure
>soc.cult newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
>The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
>Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
>news.groups newsgroup.
This is a great idea! As an American of German descent, I
try to keep in touch with events in Germany by reading German
magazines, and would find a German newsgroup of great interest.
There has been some concern, I have noticed, about making
entries bilingual, since not everyone (including me) writes German
particularly well. I don't think this need be a problem. I also
am in touch with a Mexican newsgroup in which the ground rules are:
The language of choice is English. If you can write in both languages,
do so. If you do not write English at all, Spanish-only is okay.
As far as I can tell, this is working out very well. If the proposed
German newsgroup followed the same pattern, it should be able to
accomodate the maximum number of participants. Plus, the bilingual
entries would help in sharpening written German skills, so that
more of us (including me again) could eventually start submitting
bilingual entries of our own. Personally, I could read the German-
only entries, but those who cannot can just skip them, as I skip the
Spanish-only entries in the Mexican newsgroup.
Gluck auf!
John Wagner
Pennsylvania State Universityjgw@cbnews.ATT.COM (John G. Weinhardt) (02/21/90)
I would like to voice an enthusiastic "jawohl" for the proposed soc.culture.german newsgroup. Although I immigrated to the USA as a small child with my parents, I have not effectively kept in touch with my German background. I personally welcome an opportunity to learn more about Germans and the 2 Germanies (perhaps soon to be one). Auf Wiedersehen ! John (Hans-Juergen) Weinhardt
lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis) (02/22/90)
I think a soc.culture.german conference would be a desireable conference. I would suggest, however, that messages within the conference be required to be in English; to allow messages sent in German would sharply reduce your potential "market" of users. There are many users of German extraction who would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them. On the other paw, most German students, I understand, do speak and read English. Good luck! UUCP: uunet!serene!pnet12!lyled ARPA: crash!pnet12!lyled@nosc.mil INET: lyled@pnet12.cts.com
MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) (02/22/90)
How about if I leave a translation then? Then you could pick up a little of the language too....MB
eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) (02/24/90)
From article <1472@serene.UUCP>, by lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis): > [...] There are many users of German extraction who > would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the > language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them. Surely both languages can be accomodated. If the "Subject:" line is in the same language as the message then the disinterested reader can quickly skip over it. -- Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not speaking for the company, I'm just losing my mind.
inc@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) (02/26/90)
In article <2120@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) writes:
From article <1472@serene.UUCP>, by lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis):
LD: [...] There are many users of German extraction who
LD: would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the
LD: language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them.
EO'B: Surely both languages can be accomodated. If the "Subject:" line is in
EO'B: the same language as the message then the disinterested reader can
EO'B: quickly skip over it.
EO'B: Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com
I agree. Mo such requirement exists for any other "soc.culture" groups --
why should the Germans require English-only postings?
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Gary Benson -=[ S M I L E R ]=- -_-_-_-inc@fluke.tc.com_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Absence of evidence should never be mistaken for evidence of absence.
-Walter Lewin, MIT Astronomeroplinger@minerva.crd.ge.com (B. S. Oplinger) (02/27/90)
In article <15186@fluke.COM> inc@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) writes: > >I agree. Mo such requirement exists for any other "soc.culture" groups -- >why should the Germans require English-only postings? Because not everyone who wants to be able to read/know/participate can read and write German! Isn't this obvious? English is simply the most common language across the rather large (Japan/North America/Europe at the least) areas and diverse (just imagine all those countries) cultures. brian oplinger@crd.ge.com <#include standard.disclaimer>
hegenberger@ecs.umass.edu (03/03/90)
In article <241@verdix.verdix.com>, bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German > soc.culture newsgroup I have been waiting to see this posting for some time. Sounds like a great idea. But I see no need to restrict the postings to English - it seems only intuitive to "permit" German postings in a German culture newsgroup. Those interested in the countries and culture will probably have at least a passing interest in the language, and they may be pleased to find that they can understand more than half of what is posted in German, anyway - it's not like you're asking them to learn some obscure dialect with no relation to English! I happy me upon the first postings. Erich Hegenberger Dept. of Chemical Engineering UMass/Amherst