[soc.rights.human] dedication

eli@spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) (01/05/90)

 igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In the end, the net just does not matter.  Sure, it's fun.  Sure,
>it passes the time whilst your neat kernel hacks are compiling.
>Or the machine is rebooting after the panic().  But is it going
>to change the world?  Or even make you happier?  I doubt it.

i hate to plug Time magazine -- but their recent editorial
(posted in soc.rights.human) made some good points.

information/communication technologies (perhaps including usenet) are
indeed changing the world.  TV and fax have been instrumental in a
number of the 80s' civilian uprisings against totalitarianism.

as communication improves further, it might become more and more difficult 
for totalitarian governments to hide, and thus continue, their abuses.

i hope...





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szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (seth.zirin) (01/05/90)

In article <1125@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM> eli@ursa-major.spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) writes:
>i hate to plug Time magazine -- but their recent editorial
>(posted in soc.rights.human) made some good points.

	LIFE is for people that can't read.
	TIME is for people that can't think.

Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) (01/06/90)

In article <1125@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM> eli@spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) writes:
   igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
      But is it going to change the world?

   information/communication technologies (perhaps including usenet)
   are indeed changing the world.  TV and fax have been instrumental
   in a number of the 80s' civilian uprisings against totalitarianism.

Of communications technologies, Usenet itself may not change the
world, but its technology is in use in several projects with extremely
far-reaching social implications.  news.groups, etc. are decidedly
ephemeral, but some uses of the technology have eternal implications.

karish@forel.stanford.edu (Chuck Karish) (01/06/90)

In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM wrote:
|In article <1125@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM| eli@ursa-major.spdcc.COM
(Steve Elias) writes:
||i hate to plug Time magazine -- but their recent editorial
||(posted in soc.rights.human) made some good points.
|
|	LIFE is for people that can't read.
|	TIME is for people that can't think.
|
|Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
|a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

This is quite a facile pronouncement for someone who's sneering at
people who "can't think".  Which media watch groups have reported
this?  What do they mean by "LEFTIST"?  Are we all expected to recoil
in horror when we see this characterization?

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	(415) 323-9000		karish@forel.stanford.edu

hougen@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Dean Hougen) (01/06/90)

In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM writes:
>
>	LIFE is for people that can't read.
>	TIME is for people that can't think.
>
>Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
>a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending TIME or LIFE, but ...

You can hardly rebut a point made by another poster through simple
name-calling or slandering.  (Even of his or her sources.)  I thought
that might be the one thing learned here from the recent posting by the
author (about the US invasion of Panama) who could only yell "Hey pal!"
and "Fuck you."  It appears nothing was learned by some of the readers
of this group.  (BTW, LIFE and TIME may be poor sources, but at least
they are real sources.  Citing unnamed "media watch groups" is like
citing "some real smart guy that you should listen to," without telling
us who he is or what his credentials are.  Appeals to athority are weak;
appeals to nameless athority are lifeless.)

Dean Hougen
--
"Time. Time, Time.  See whats become of me."

bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) (01/06/90)

From: szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (seth.zirin)
>Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
>a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

A little rigid, aren't we? But thanks for letting me know that there
are ``media watch groups'' out there making sure we don't make any
mistakes.

>	LIFE is for people that can't read.
>	TIME is for people that can't think.

And it's safe to assume that ``media watch groups'' are for people who
can't do either?
-- 
        -Barry Shein

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1330 Beacon St, Brookline, MA 02146, (617) 739-0202 | {xylogics,uunet}world!bzs

campbell@redsox.bsw.com (Larry Campbell) (01/07/90)

In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM writes:
-In article <1125@ursa-major.SPDCC.COM> eli@ursa-major.spdcc.COM (Steve Elias) writes:
-
-	LIFE is for people that can't read.
-	TIME is for people that can't think.
-
-Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
-a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

If TIME is leftist, then I'm Attila the Hun.  TIME is about as middle of the
road as they come now.  All it contains is the current Received Wisdom
(i.e., establishment claptrap), served up in written sound bites with nice
pictures.

TIME is essentially television reduced to the printed page.  About all the
average American brain can handle these days, it seems...
-- 
Larry Campbell                          The Boston Software Works, Inc.
campbell@redsox.bsw.com                 120 Fulton Street
wjh12!redsox!campbell                   Boston, MA 02109

gadfly@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (Gadfly) (01/07/90)

In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM>, szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (seth.zirin) writes:
> 	LIFE is for people that can't read.
> 	TIME is for people that can't think.
> 
> Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
> a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

Media watch groups are for people who can neither read nor think.
If they consider Time to be "leftist" (this had me rolling on the
floor hysterically), they must be somewhere to the right of the KKK.

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michaelb@mikebat.UUCP (Michael R. Batchelor) (01/07/90)

> 	LIFE is for people that can't read.
> 	TIME is for people that can't think.
> 
> Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
> a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

While Time is not exactly a pillar of conservative thought they can surprise
you once in a while. Only a few weeks ago the guest editorial was by some guy
named Richard Nixon.   Mr. Nixon is NOT noted for his liberal sympathies.
-- 
Michael Batchelor / KA7ZNZ                    uunet!wshb!mikebat!michaelb

Ships don't come in; they're built. -- (I don't know who said it.)

manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) (01/09/90)

In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM writes:
>Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
>a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.

As are `U.S. News and World Report' (the Rev. Gump Snorkel, President-
for-Life of the League for Accuracy in Media and Thumping Commies, calls
USN&WR `Pravda West'), and `Soldier of Fortune' (referred to by no less
a worthy than Oswald M. Flork, Grand High Skinhead, as `Willie Horton's
kind of magazine).

Of course, there are those who prefer to argue issues on their merits,
but we true-blue right-wingers prefer to call them liberals and
leftists, and to say of them that their mothers wear army boots. 


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allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) (01/10/90)

In article <6198@ubc-cs.UUCP>, manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
> In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM writes:
> >Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
> >a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.
> 
> As are `U.S. News and World Report' (the Rev. Gump Snorkel, President-

etc. etc.

Could someone please post something in intelligible english explaining
what all this is about.

Thanks in advance,
Dennis Allard   allard@isi.edu

dcolkm@tness7.UUCP (Lou Montgomery ) (01/11/90)

In article <11296@venera.isi.edu> allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
>In article <6198@ubc-cs.UUCP>, manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>> In article <8295@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> szirin@cbnewsm.ATT.COM writes:
>> >Media watch groups have recently reported that TIME is no longer considered
>> >a Liberal magazine.  It is now categorized as LEFTIST.
>> 
>> As are `U.S. News and World Report' (the Rev. Gump Snorkel, President-
>
>etc. etc.
>
>Could someone please post something in intelligible english explaining
>what all this is about.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Dennis Allard   allard@isi.edu

   Well Dennis, I'll try. You see, this started because most of the
 otherwise decent people reading and posting to misc.misc wouldn't know
 a Communist plot if they were standing on the grave of V.I. Lenin.
 Nor would they know a Communist if Alger Hiss beat them about the head
 and shoulders with a hammer and sickle. This because they have not been
 taught to think for themselves. Whatever the sock-cucking professor said
 at the University of DUH!! is obviously so and anyone who sees it
 differently is a backwoods breaker of mules. On board so far?

   Now Tammy jumps in with a dumb question which precipitates some real
 comedy-loving guy to invite the wrath of Khan by posting his very real
 fantasy of murder and mayhem he would love to inflict upon some hapless
 female from eight to eighty years old in the hope of getting back at
 his mother for being such a strumpet and not giving him the attention
 he damn well deserved. Still with me?

   Then you come along and get me into all this shit so that you may now
 sit back and enjoy yourself while I get the shit flamed out of me.
 That just about covers it, don't you think?