[net.columbia] More Newsgroup Changes

fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU (Erik E. &) (01/01/70)

Given, however, that people don't generally avail themselves of the
information painstakingly maintained by Gene Spafford, et. al., it
would be better to have descriptive names than `cute' names. It will
be to the advantage of all concerned (less confusion, more appropriate
use of the network).

	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU

slerner@sesame.UUCP (Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner) (08/21/85)

They are starting another round of net cleaning - and the following
is under consideration (original article from net.announce):

> Suggestion 6:  drop "net.columbia" in favor of "net.space" (see #4)

I do not agree with this proposal.  I, for one, am interested in following
the shuttle program as a distint topic, seperate from my general interest
in space.  I suspect that a lot of other readers will agree with this.


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alb@alice.UUCP (Adam L. Buchsbaum) (08/23/85)

Since this has come up, I will post here the jist of what I mailed
to Mark and Gene.  A while ago (years), net.columbia was dropped
in favor of net.space.  The public outcry after this happened was
such that net.columbia resumed as its own group a few months
later.  Several times in the past, people have suggested renaming
the group (to net.shuttle, net.sts, etc.).  Again, people who
had been following the group mailed me letters saying they preferred
the nostalgical name of net.columbia (as do I).  I feel that
net.columbia is one of if not the most useful, purposeful (in
that I have never seen things stray off on non-related tangents)
groups around.  So we have need, usage, and desire shown to
keep it the way it is.  I, too, support keeping this group the
way it is.  When you have something that works, you shouldn't
try to fix it.  net.columbia works, so leave it alone!

Adam

ggc@myriasb.UUCP (Gilles Chartrand) (08/23/85)

>> Suggestion 6:  drop "net.columbia" in favor of "net.space" (see #4)
> 
> I do not agree with this proposal. ....
> ... I suspect that a lot of other readers will agree with this.

	I agree you completely, I don't even subscribe to net.space
	but I am very interested in the devellopements of the shuttle
	program.  I hope my 2 bits helps preserve net.columbia.  It's
	not like the newgroup was idle, there's always something in it.


					Gilles
					...!alberta!myrias!ggc

fair@ucbvax.ARPA (Erik E. Fair) (08/25/85)

Why not net.space.shuttle? It is an apt name, which is all imporant
in these days of chaos. Naming *is* important.

	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU

richardt@orstcs.UUCP (richardt) (08/26/85)

Actually, if people are after a nostalgiac name (net.columbia), why is this
net.columbia instead of net.enterprise???

As far as dividing net.columbia and net.space:  They definitely should remain
separate -- I for one don't want to sift through net.space just to find shuttle
launch dates!

					orstcs!richardt
"This bird has flown..."

doug@escher.UUCP (Douglas J Freyburger) (08/26/85)

> > Suggestion 6:  drop "net.columbia" in favor of "net.space" (see #4)
> I do not agree with this proposal. ....
> ... I suspect that a lot of other readers will agree with this.

I don't think changing the name to "net.space" would be a
good idea because it sounds too general, but I am not
attached to the nostalga of the name of the first
space-worthy shuttle.  I'd prefer "net.shuttle".  After
all, there are several others besides the Columb.a.  It is
sort of neat to use the columbia name, but I don't think
it's any big deal.

-- 

Doug Freyburger		DOUG@JPL-VLSI, DOUG@JPL-ROBOTICS,
JPL 171-235		...escher!doug, doug@aerospace,
Pasadena, CA 91109	etc.

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are far too
ridiculous to be associated with my employer.

Unix is a trademark of Bell Labs, VMS is a trade mark of
DEC, and there are others that I'm probably forgeting to
mention.

tomm@asgb.UUCP (Tom Mackey) (08/26/85)

I, too, believe that the shuttle is important enough to warrent a separate
newsgroup.  I do not have time to read the more general net.space....I was
fortunate (and proud) to have worked on the HRSI project at LMSC, and will
continue to be an avid shuttle follower.


Tom Mackey   				   ihnp4!sabre!\
					hplabs!sdcrdcf!-bmcg!asgb!tomm
		    { ihnp4, ucbvax, allegra }!sdcsvax!/
Burroughs Distributed Systems Group 		     Boulder, Colorado

rhib@mhuxm.UUCP (irving) (08/27/85)

I'd like to see net.columbia stick around as our news category; I never
read net.space.  And just to cause controversy, I feel that those who
spend much time feeding the newsgroup (i.e. Adam Buchsbaum et al) deserve
a larger say than most of us in any renaming debate.

Rich Irving mhuxm!rhib AT&T Bell Labs Murray Hill NJ

p.s. democracy lives!!

dbrown@avsdT.BERKNET (Dennis Brown) (08/29/85)

> I, too, believe that the shuttle is important enough to warrent a separate
> newsgroup.  I do not have time to read the more general net.space....I was
> fortunate (and proud) to have worked on the HRSI project at LMSC, and will
> continue to be an avid shuttle follower.
> 
> 
> Tom Mackey   				   ihnp4!sabre!\
> 					hplabs!sdcrdcf!-bmcg!asgb!tomm
> 		    { ihnp4, ucbvax, allegra }!sdcsvax!/
> Burroughs Distributed Systems Group 		     Boulder, Colorado


I wish to keep in touch with this important project and don't want to or
have time to mill through all the other items in net.space, please leave
well enough alone!!!!!!!!

friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (08/29/85)

In article <416@mhuxm.UUCP> rhib@mhuxm.UUCP (irving) writes:
>I'd like to see net.columbia stick around as our news category; I never
>read net.space.  And just to cause controversy, I feel that those who
>spend much time feeding the newsgroup (i.e. Adam Buchsbaum et al) deserve
>a larger say than most of us in any renaming debate.
>
	It seems that my interpretation of this suggestion was a lot
different than many people's. I do *not* think he was suggesting
*merging* net.culumbia with the *current* net.space. He seemed to be
suggesting *renaming* the group as net.space *after* moveing the
current net.space to net.sci.space, thus keeping them seperate. Most
of the no votes I have seen have seemed to assume he was suggesting a
merger of the groups.
-- 

				Sarima (Stanley Friesen)

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ARPA: ttidca!psivax!friesen@rand-unix.arpa

jww@sdcsvax.UUCP (Joel West) (08/29/85)

> I'd like to see net.columbia stick around as our news category; I never
> read net.space.

net.space.shuttle makes the most sense of all ideas I've seen
on this.

eugene@ames.UUCP (Eugene Miya) (08/30/85)

> separate -- I for one don't want to sift through net.space just to find
> shuttle launch dates!
> 					orstcs!richardt

Gee?!  Sorry, I was posting them to net.space.  I realize this was
covered before, but I think it makes more sense to creat a structure
like net.space with net.space.shuttle as a subgroup.  Don't get
so emotionally attached to things like that.  Where's the soft in software?

--eugene miya
  NASA Ames Research Center
  {hplabs,ihnp4,dual,hao,decwrl,allegra}!ames!aurora!eugene
  emiya@ames-vmsb

"Spock, I'm sick and tired of your half breed interference."

meier@srcsip.UUCP (Christopher M. Meier) (08/31/85)

>They are starting another round of net cleaning - and the following
>is under consideration (original article from net.announce):
>
>> Suggestion 6:  drop "net.columbia" in favor of "net.space" (see #4)
>
>I do not agree with this proposal.  I, for one, am interested in following
>the shuttle program as a distint topic, seperate from my general interest
>in space.  I suspect that a lot of other readers will agree with this.
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Simcha-Yitzchak Lerner
I am curious, why net.columbia instead of net.shuttle?  I also do not agree
with the proposal, for the same reasons as stated above.

Christopher Meier
Honeywell S&RC/SIP/AI
ihnp4!umn-cs!srcsip!meier

ggc@myriasb.UUCP (Gilles Chartrand) (09/02/85)

> ... I do *not* think he was suggesting
> *merging* net.culumbia with the *current* net.space. He seemed to be
> suggesting *renaming* the group as net.space *after* moveing the
> current net.space to net.sci.space, thus keeping them seperate...

	That's what the article said...  Anyways, if we get confused with
the naming think of all the poor net users who, looking through the group
names, come across "net.space".  They would say: 'Humm... a general space
group,  I sould join and talk about my new "hunky-dory-high-power-remote-
controlled-telescope'".  If you want to rename the group to net.shuttle, or
net.sci.shuttle, that's fine with me because THAT reflects the contents of
the news group.  

						Gilles
						...!alberta!myrias!ggc

irwin@uiucdcs.Uiuc.ARPA (09/06/85)

I vote for net.shuttle, or leave it as it is! The shuttle program
will be around for quite a while, we will continue to want to hear
about it, with out wading through a lot of other space info.

fair@ucbvax.ARPA (Erik E. Fair) (09/08/85)

I repeat, what's wrong with net.space.shuttle? It is an appropriate
name, and it is a separate group, so you don't have to wade through
net.space to read net.space.shuttle.

	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU

irwin@uiucdcs.Uiuc.ARPA (09/12/85)

What's wrong with net.space.shuttle??  It is not strictly a spacecraft.
It is also an aircraft. You could also tie it on the tail of the
aviation notes system as net.aviation.shuttle, and it would be just
as correct, as net.space.shuttle. Since it is <BOTH>, and not unique
to either of the two, it deserves a specific catagory.

pavo@loral.UUCP (Repo Man) (09/13/85)

In article <10307@ucbvax.ARPA> fair@ucbvax.ARPA (Erik E. Fair) writes:
>I repeat, what's wrong with net.space.shuttle? It is an appropriate
>name, and it is a separate group, so you don't have to wade through
>net.space to read net.space.shuttle.
>
>	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU

I say, 'net.columbia' has been adequate for years now and it works just
fine so what's all this debate about anyway?  Let's get on with shuttle-
related discussions, ok?

chip@vaxwaller.UUCP (Chip Kozy) (09/17/85)

*** REPLACE THIS WITH YOUR ***

	Whatever happens in this re-naming thing, PLEASE leave the shuttle
in a SEPERATE group.  Whether it be net.columbia, net.space.shuttle,
or whatever, don't merge it with any other group.  This is an important
enough subject to warrant its' own newsgroup.  (BTW I favor *.columbia over
*.shuttle.)

					Happiness;
					Chip
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		Walnut Creek, Calif.  94598
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arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) (09/18/85)

In article <916@loral.UUCP> pavo@loral.UUCP (Repo Man) writes:
>In article <10307@ucbvax.ARPA> fair@ucbvax.ARPA (Erik E. Fair) writes:
>>I repeat, what's wrong with net.space.shuttle? It is an appropriate
>>name, and it is a separate group, so you don't have to wade through
>>net.space to read net.space.shuttle.
>>
>>	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU
>
>I say, 'net.columbia' has been adequate for years now and it works just
>fine so what's all this debate about anyway?  Let's get on with shuttle-
>related discussions, ok?

net.columbia is a fine name.  I, for one, have always wanted to talk
about the Columbia river, but was unaware there was a group for it.  Or
maybe the group is for discussion of Columbia University?  I wouldn't
want to post to the wrong newsgroup...

However, when I want to talk about the space shuttle, I go looking for
a group, but find ... nothing?  net.space.shuttle would be an obvious
name.  So what's wrong with it?  The Columbia is only one of a fleet of
shuttles, so it is not very appropriate, and it is certainly not very
descriptive.  Can you imagine net.rec.model-t being the discussion
group about cars in general?  It doesn't make much sense.  Would the
discussion about the refurbishility (what an icky word) of the
Enterprise go in net.columbia?  It would certainly go in
net.space.shuttle.

		Ken Arnold

			Roll on, Columbia, roll on!
			Roll on, Columbia, roll on!
				Your power is turning the darkness to dawn,
			So roll on, Columbia, roll on!
					-- Woody Guthrie

usenet@ucbvax.ARPA (USENET News Administration) (10/13/85)

In article <641@ucsfcgl.UUCP> arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold) writes:
>In article <916@loral.UUCP> pavo@loral.UUCP (Repo Man) writes:
>> [Quotes from the "net.columbia" name debate.]
>
>net.columbia is a fine name.  I, for one, have always wanted to talk
>about the Columbia river, but was unaware there was a group for it.  Or
>maybe the group is for discussion of Columbia University?  I wouldn't
>want to post to the wrong newsgroup...
>
>[...] The Columbia is only one of a fleet of shuttles, so it is not very
>appropriate, and it is certainly not very descriptive.
>[...]
> Would the
>discussion about the refurbishility (what an icky word) of the
>Enterprise go in net.columbia?  It would certainly go in
>net.space.shuttle.
>
>		Ken Arnold

No joke people: Until about 1 hour ago, I was under the impression
that net.columbia was a Columbia Univ. bboard.  I just so happened
to haphazardly come across a random reference to this board
elsewhere... *Please* rename it to something more descriptive.

		-Adam J. Richter

stoner@qumix.UUCP (Dave Stone) (10/14/85)

> 
> No joke people: Until about 1 hour ago, I was under the impression
> that net.columbia was a Columbia Univ. bboard.  I just so happened
> to haphazardly come across a random reference to this board
> elsewhere... *Please* rename it to something more descriptive.
> 
> 		-Adam J. Richter

And if everybody would read net.announce.newusers once in a while they would
find a nice updated newsgroup listing once every month. I read over the whole
list prior to reading any news and found just what I wanted to subscibe to
including net.columbia=shuttle stuff. I fact when you finish reading this go
check it out . There is a lot of good information there.

I'm not picking on you Adam I think people would find a lot of "geez I didn't
know that" type things if they would take time to read some of these listings
that people take a lot of time to put together. I subcsribe to newusers so I 
can keep up to date on these things.


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