[comp.sys.mac.hardware] SUMMARY: 68851 PMMU STOMPS on Macintosh II

jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Levitt) (01/17/90)

  Thanks to all that responded. The Macintosh II, it turns
out, is a very early model. The motherboard does need to
be replaced and Apple provides a replacement for free. 
The service techs claim that the boards are identified by
inspection, not by serial numbers.
Even thought the PMMU is an early mask, denoted by "XC",
this does not appear to be a problem. 

  Thanks to all that reponded. Here are some sample responses:

> roadman@portia.stanford.edu
I and two friends all have XC68851rc16 chips in our IIs without problems.
I think it likely that your II motherboard could be exchanged at no cost 
if you do the footwork to get Apple and your dealer together.  Almost for
sure, your board has the A roms and those PALs which restrict memory on
each nubus slot to 1Mbyte.  Apple has in place a program through 1994 for
no-cost mboard swaps for people who bought third party memory boards from
Nat Semi and others.  If calm discussion doesn't get the job done, find 
a dealer who seems to have lots of potential customers in the store and 
make a lot of noise.


jtwarden@cmyharis.chem.rpi.edu
Are you sure you have the PMMU seated all of the way into the socket and in
the proper orientation? I had the same problem because the chip was seated
properly.
The PMMU should have the same orientation that the dummy chip had.
Good luck.


Frank Malczewski	(malczews@nunki.usc.edu)
Don't quite recall the specifics, but a number of the motherboards apparently
went out that could not use the PMMU properly, as the circuitry had not
been properly completed (some of the pins had no relevant connections to
the motherboard).  I believe that for these motherboards, Apple is replacing
them essentially free of charge.  I had little problem when I installed the
PMMU having the same mask as yours.  [Are you sure you aligned it in the
socket properly?]


jlee@watcsc.waterloo.edu
I remember reading in a MacWeek [a Nov/Dec 1989 issue] about how
someone at Apple acknowledged the fact that some early Mac II's
[maybe including mine] will not work with an MC68881[sic?]. The reason was
that the connector for the PMMU wasn't correctly connected to
the rest of the board - a few missing solder connections or
something like that. The only was to tell was to take a PMMU and
try it out. I believe that Apple said they would replace the 
board. But CHECK IT OUT in case.


Ted Goldstein
du4@mace.cc.purdue.edu
The problem is problem is probably in your Mac II motherboard. There was
a little blurb in MacWeek a few weeks ago that said that a few thousand
of the early MacII motherboards are incompatible with the PMMU. They also
said that there is now way to tell from the serial numbers which Macs are
effected, but dealers are authorized to replace motherboards for users
who encounter the problem.


John Unruh
I have read that certain Mac II logic boards will not work properly
with the PMMU chip.  Apple has acknowledged the problem, knows the
set of serial numbers that have the problem, and will repair/replace
the boards.  I suggest contacting a dealer and asking about it.


Walt Dixon
>From what I've seen,  you have stumbled across a known problem with
early MacIIs.  It is my understanding that apple will fix the problem,
but I have not seen this in writing from apple.


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