[comp.sys.mac.hardware] SE SCSI cold start crash... HELP

adv@drutx.ATT.COM (Andrew DeVoss) (02/10/90)

I have a cold start problem that I have yet to see on the
net (six years and counting) and would like some help.

I have a macSE2.5 dual disk drive with a modem, printer,
and an external hard disk - and therein lies the problem.
When I start up after an overnight poweroff, the mac crashes
miserably. I get everything from 'Initialize Hard Disk?' to
garbage lines and buzz. All is not hopeless because I hit 
the interupt switch, insert a bootable floppy, wait
about 20 minutes, restart (from the hard disk) and 
everything is fine. I rebuild the desktop and work until
all hours of the morning. 

Currently I always boot from the floppy disk, wait 20 minutes,
and then restart from the hard disk. This always works!
Why can't I boot from the hard disk after the mac has been turned off
for a few hours. What does 20 minutes of warm up time do for the SCSI port?
Will I have the same problems with an internal hard disk?
 
I have wrestled with this for about a year now so rest assured
that I have tried almost everything to try and localize.
1. I have left the hard disk on all the time and just turned the 
   mac off: no affect, still crashes
2. I have reformatted the hard disk, installed the system (all 
   flavors of 6.0.#) and no other software: no affect, still crashes
3. I have varied the time the mac has been turned off and found
   that it needs to be off about 4 hours or more to crash.
4. Depending on the amount of warm up time seems to determine how far
   the startup routines get.
	Cold - lines, buzz, and garbage screen
	2min - gets to happy face and then garbage lines and buzz
	5min - gets to 2nd or 3rd init and then restart prompt and ID-03
	10min - gets through inits and then restart prompt and ID-03
	15min - appears fine until serious disk access then ID-03 
	20min - works fine, lasts long time
   When I boot from floppy, and the hard disk mounts, it wants to initialize
   so I Cancel and then wait the 20-30 minutes, reboot and things are fine.
5. I have not replaced the hard disk, though when I have connected it to 
   other macs it works as it should.

ANY help will be appreciated | A permanent solution is desired...
I am starting to code with THINK C++ and would like
a stable hardware platform.

Please reply to:	Andrew DeVoss at 303/538-1087
			or mail to   att!drutx!adv