mdc@spt.entity.com (Marty Connor) (01/28/90)
In article <14033.25beebd3@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> cos842x@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes: > >I hereby apologise formally to Apple Computer Australia Pty.Ltd. >for the content of the messages posted by me on the 31 October, >1989 and 6 November, 1989 which I was critical of the company and >which I recommended clone equipment which may infringe patents >and copyrights owned by Apple. I wish to formally express my regret that you have been forced to apologize in this way. I hope that ACAPL loses lots of money and whoever made you write these words suffers greatly. >I have been asked to put on record that the Monash University >Computer Centre and the University has a significant amount of >Apple Macintosh equipment and is a satisfied customer of Apple >Computer Australia Pty. Ltd. Clearly not all of Monash U. is a satisfied customer, and it seems stupid for big institutions to force individuals to apologize to make it seem like "we're all one big happy family". >Pan Thongvilu. >Computer System Engineering Officer. I sincerely hope freedom of speech makes a comeback, because my country and yours are trying very hard to abolish it. If you come to Boston, please look me up. -- Marty Connor, Marty's Computer Workshop, "Specializing in Macintosh Training" 126 Inman Street, Cambridge, MA 02139; (617) 491-6935 mdc@entity.com, or ...{harvard|uunet}!mit-eddie!spt!mdc
cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) (02/01/90)
In article <25C731CD.14568@paris.ics.uci.edu> ajauch@ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) writes: > >I think we should rag on Apple a bit on poor Pan's behalf. What say ye >netlanders?? > Hey, I think we should rag on Apple on our own behalf. I used to love by plain vanilia II, but now that I've started to work with a real workstation, that isn't really that much more than a IIcx or ci, and one hell of a lot faster, I've realized just how much Apple has been screwing us with price. I mean hell, $2000 to upgrade from a II, which was supposed to be able to be upgraded cheaply and easily, to a IIx which isn't that much better. Or a customer support staff that won't even talk to you, is not indicitive of a company that gives a damn about whether or not its private citizen customers are happy! No, NeXT time I won't buy a Mac. Dean Cookson cookson@mbunix.mitre.org My opinions are my own, but if you want to claim responsibility, go right ahead.
gillies@p.cs.uiuc.edu (02/02/90)
The sad part about a company like Apple (or IBM) is that when you go the "propriety technology" way, you can easily screw or irritate a large percentage of your customers without even knowing it -- there are no second sources. At the drop of a hat these customers will abandon the product in droves.
erci18@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) (02/02/90)
In article <93568@linus.UUCP> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >Hey, I think we should rag on Apple on our own behalf. I used to love >by plain vanilia II, but now that I've started to work with a real workstation, >that isn't really that much more than a IIcx or ci, and one hell of a lot >faster, I've realized just how much Apple has been screwing us with price. >I mean hell, $2000 to upgrade from a II, which was supposed to be able to >be upgraded cheaply and easily, to a IIx which isn't that much better. >Or a customer support staff that won't even talk to you, is not indicitive >of a company that gives a damn about whether or not its private >citizen customers are happy! No, NeXT time I won't buy a Mac. Ha! You think you've got it bad? You should try getting developer support outside America. I had to wait four months to get the developer CD ROM and our Applelink package won't work with our X25 comms network. Apple's suggestion is 'Let us sell you a really overpriced modem with a nice Apple badge on the front." Then there's the warranty. To get our project going Apple gave us 2 IIcx's. In six months one CPU box and one monitor have failed. Yup we are being properly shafted by Scully and co. NeXT time I'm going for a SPARC station. Tony -- Tony Cunningham, Edinburgh University Computing Service. erci18@castle.ed.ac.uk "If the thunder don't get ya then the lightnin' will."
6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) (02/03/90)
From article <1979@castle.ed.ac.uk>, by erci18@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham): > In article <93568@linus.UUCP> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >>Hey, I think we should rag on Apple on our own behalf. > Ha! You think you've got it bad?... You know, I think we should abandon the charter of this newsgroup and go full time to a group for posting individual frustrating experiences with Apple. Better yet, let's start comp.sys.mac.hardware.flame. That'll show Apple, those hucksters! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills
prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) (02/03/90)
From article <oZl=APq00Xok084Fxd@andrew.cmu.edu>, by sn15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steve Neas): >>On the lighter side, I didn't even know there WERE any Apple clones >>aside from the PINEapple (apple II clones) machines I saw in Hong Kong. >>Somebody enlighten me. >> >>Chris Mauritz > > I've seen the Laser 128 in Computer Direct catalogs for a long time now. > It's an Apple II compatible, but I'm not sure how compatible it really > is. If I remember though it did have a decent price witht it. > > = Steve Neas Schools have been using Laser 128's for a long time (running their Apple II s/w.) They are very compatable, (much more than the Franklin Ace, etc.) The only difficulty with them is that, in order to get more and more compatable, they have put out a lot of ROM revisions. This means that if you get one that's been on the shelf for a while, it may have an older ROM in it and may not run all the current s/w. The solution is simple. Contact Central Point (Oregon) and get the latest ROM. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Phil Lindberg snail mail: 13845 S.E. 131 ST | | UUCP: ..!uunet!bcstec!tahoma!prl3546 Renton, WA 98056 | | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer (and I not | | sure they even know I exist....) | +--------------------------------------------------------------+
prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) (02/06/90)
From article <1990Jan31.024145.1099@NCoast.ORG>, by allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery): > As quoted from <oZl=APq00Xok084Fxd@andrew.cmu.edu> by sn15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steve Neas): > +--------------- > | >On the lighter side, I didn't even know there WERE any Apple clones > | >aside from the PINEapple (apple II clones) machines I saw in Hong Kong. > | >Somebody enlighten me. > | > | I've seen the Laser 128 in Computer Direct catalogs for a long time now. > +--------------- > > How quickly we forget. Anyone else remember the Franklin ACE I (and the > lawsuit)? Central Point (market's the Laser 128) has already gone the lawsuit route with Apple, AND WON!! They reverse engineered it and did a much better job than the ACE. They've been putting out the Laser for enough years now that I wouldn't worry about it going away. Obviously you haven't been following this situation. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Phil Lindberg snail mail: 13845 S.E. 131 ST | | UUCP: ..!uunet!bcstec!tahoma!prl3546 Renton, WA 98056 | | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer (and I not | | sure they even know I exist....) | +--------------------------------------------------------------+
allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (02/09/90)
As quoted from <948@tahoma.UUCP> by prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg): +--------------- | (c'est moi:) | > How quickly we forget. Anyone else remember the Franklin ACE I (and the | > lawsuit)? | | Central Point (market's the Laser 128) has already gone the lawsuit route | with Apple, AND WON!! They reverse engineered it and did a much better job | than the ACE. They've been putting out the Laser for enough years now that | I wouldn't worry about it going away. Obviously you haven't been following | this situation. +--------------- How quickly we make assumptions, as well... I *am* aware of the Laser 128 and its implications; my point about the lawsuit was that it was considered a "big thing" (locally, at least) when it happened, but now some people "aren't aware of any Apple clones". ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery allbery@NCoast.ORG, BALLBERY (MCI Mail), ALLBERY (Delphi) uunet!cwjcc.cwru.edu!ncoast!allbery ncoast!allbery@cwjcc.cwru.edu
ajauch@ics.uci.edu (Alexander Edwin Jauch) (02/12/90)
In article <1990Feb9.020114.15756@NCoast.ORG> allbery@ncoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) writes: >As quoted from <948@tahoma.UUCP> by prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg): >+--------------- >| (c'est moi:) >| > How quickly we forget. Anyone else remember the Franklin ACE I (and the >| > lawsuit)? >| >| Central Point (market's the Laser 128) has already gone the lawsuit route >| with Apple, AND WON!! They reverse engineered it and did a much better job >| than the ACE. They've been putting out the Laser for enough years now that >| I wouldn't worry about it going away. Obviously you haven't been following >| this situation. >+--------------- > >How quickly we make assumptions, as well... I *am* aware of the Laser 128 and >its implications; my point about the lawsuit was that it was considered a "big >thing" (locally, at least) when it happened, but now some people "aren't aware >of any Apple clones". > >++Brandon Chill guys, I assumed at the time I read the original posting that the writer was asking about Apple *Mac* clones. Esp since Apple doesn't make the IIe anymore, which is what I remember the Franklin Ace is a clone of. I am not aware of any Mac clones currently on the market. I am very interested in finding out about them though!! (A cheap cx would be great!) Alex Jauch ajauch@bonnie.ics.uci.edu