neil@odin.ucsd.edu (Neil Rhodes) (04/07/90)
>Actually, HP showed this printer (which lists for $2995) at last night's >general BMUG meeting. It seemed pretty neat, requires a 32-bit QuickDraw >driver (which they ship with it), is kinda expensive to run ($.70-$1.40 >per page), and has nice color output for the machine's price (i.e., >compares favorably with offerings from Tektronix et al.) It won't support >any PostScript cartridges, though it's been tested extensively with >Freedom of Press for PostScript output. They'll have them featured >prominently at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco. > The new printer is the PaintWriter XL. It is extremely similar to the PaintJet XL, but is an AppleTalk printer, and is better integrated with the Macintosh environment (paper out status, etc.). The QuickDraw driver will take advantage of 32-Bit QuickDraw if available (producing 16.7 million colors via dithering). If 32-bit QuickDraw is not available, it will still print up to 256 colors per page. The printer comes with Compugraphic outline fonts (versions of Times, Symbol, Helvetica and Courier). It also supports ATM fonts. The printer supports transparencies from an auto-sheet feeder, and can print up to B-size paper. The driver does background printing via a mechanism very similar to that used by Apple for the LaserWriter. If you need more info, feel free to ask. NB: I am totally biased, because I wrote much of the software. Neil Rhodes Palomar Software, Inc. neil@odin.ucsd.edu
bh11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Braddock John Hathaway) (04/08/90)
Sorry if this gets posted twice.
Neil Rhodes writes:
The new printer is the PaintWriter XL. It is extremely similar
to the PaintJet XL, but is an AppleTalk printer, and is better integrated with
the Macintosh environment (paper out status, etc.).
The QuickDraw driver will take advantage of 32-Bit QuickDraw if available
(producing 16.7 million colors via dithering). If 32-bit QuickDraw is not
available, it will still print up to 256 colors per page.
The printer comes with Compugraphic outline fonts (versions of Times, Symbol,
Helvetica and Courier). It also supports ATM fonts.
The printer supports transparencies from an auto-sheet feeder, and can print
up to B-size paper.
The driver does background printing via a mechanism very similar to that
used by Apple for the LaserWriter.
If you need more info, feel free to ask.
NB: I am totally biased, because I wrote much of the software.
Neil Rhodes Palomar Software, Inc. neil@odin.ucsd.edu
Brad Hathaway questions:
What is the resolution in DPI? How fast is it? How much do ink
cartridges cost?
John Heckendorn says:
Actually, HP showed this printer (which lists for $2995) at last night's
general BMUG meeting. It seemed pretty neat, requires a 32-bit QuickDraw
driver (which they ship with it), is kinda expensive to run ($.70-$1.40
per page), and has nice color output for the machine's price (i.e.,
compares favorably with offerings from Tektronix et al.) It won't support
any PostScript cartridges, though it's been tested extensively with
Freedom of Press for PostScript output. They'll have them featured
prominently at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco.
Brad Hathaway also asks:
Why so expensive? How does the darned thing work ... with gold-flecked
paint?
Any info is appreciated,
Brad
flames ---> /dev/nullbmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) (04/09/90)
In article <8122@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> neil@odin.ucsd.edu.UUCP (Neil Rhodes) writes (among other things): > >The QuickDraw driver will take advantage of 32-Bit QuickDraw if available >(producing 16.7 million colors via dithering). If 32-bit QuickDraw is not >available, it will still print up to 256 colors per page. > The HP engineers showing the machine remarked that in the absence of 32-bit QuickDraw, the machine would only output 8 colors (i.e., old Color QuickDraw, which programs like Excel use). Anyone from HP out there who can confirm one way or the other? John Heckendorn /\ BMUG ARPA: bmug@garnet.berkeley.EDU A__A 1442A Walnut St., #62 BITNET: bmug@ucbgarne |()| Berkeley, CA 94709 Phone: (415) 549-2684 | |
bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) (04/09/90)
In article <Ua7ggIi00WBKM1F3xO@andrew.cmu.edu> bh11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Braddock John Hathaway) writes: > >What is the resolution in DPI? How fast is it? How much do ink >cartridges cost? > I don't recall *precisely* the DPI, but it seemed to be around 200-250. It printed reasonably quickly (they ran a 32-bit Pixel Paint-type illustration through, and it took about a minute and a half). Ink cartridges list for about $30 each (the printer uses four: CYMK). >Why so expensive? How does the darned thing work ... with gold-flecked >paint? > Actually, $3000 list is not bad for an AppleTalk-compatible color printer (this is near the low end, unless you count an ImageWriter II with color ribbon -- yecch!). What makes it expensive is using HP's special paper (although you'll also get results -- admittedly with less quality -- with plain paper) and replacing the cartridges every 500-1000 prints. The quality of the output is good, and for people who need to do color proofing or small scale jobs where magazine-quality output is not an issue, it seems like a good value. In my opinion, the next step up is a QMS ColorScript printer, which will set you back over $10,000. John Heckendorn /\ BMUG ARPA: bmug@garnet.berkeley.EDU A__A 1442A Walnut St., #62 BITNET: bmug@ucbgarne |()| Berkeley, CA 94709 Phone: (415) 549-2684 | |
isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Ken Hancock) (04/10/90)
In article <1990Apr9.155553.20402@agate.berkeley.edu> bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) writes: >In article <Ua7ggIi00WBKM1F3xO@andrew.cmu.edu> bh11+@andrew.cmu.edu (Braddock John Hathaway) writes: >> >In my opinion, the next step up is a QMS >ColorScript printer, which will set you back over $10,000. Actually, I believe that Tektronics has a few nice options in the area of $3000. Ken -- Ken Hancock '90 | DISCLAIMER: I'm graduating and looking for Consultant | a job, so I'll stand by my words. Computer Resource Center |============================================== Dartmouth College | EMAIL: isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
johnk@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (John Knippers) (04/11/90)
We've remained silent long enough! Everybody seems to be talking about the HP Paintjet XL printer (except our friend from Dartmouth, Ken Hancock), but some facts about the Tektronix ColorQuick would be relevant to the discussion. HP Paintjet XL Tektronix ColorQuick List Price $2495 $2495 Resolution(DPI) 180 216 (3x Mac screen) Cost/copy (8 1/2 x11) $.70 (reported here) $.22 Ink Cost ? $12/6cc Paper Cost ? $38/500 shts Interfaces Appletalk,? SCSI, Centronics (parallel) Background Printing yes no Time / print ? 50 secs Media Type Paper,transparency Paper,transparency Auto Sheet Feed yes yes Media Size A, legal, B A, legal, B also roll media & tractor feed The ColorQuick comes with a Macintosh driver, cables and the TekColor application which can match printer output color to the colors on your monitor - a Tek exclusive. The ColorQuick is also being featured at MacWorld in San Francisco. Check out the print quality and the color brilliance and compare it with the Paintjet XL. Then make your decision. The ColorQuick team at Tektronix.