a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (O) (04/10/90)
OK, I'm getting tired of this. WHAT is the deal with
SilverLining? I see a lot of people who are happy with it on the
net, and then I see a posting here and there which says that it
really stinks. The people who don't like seem to mainly have
problems with rebooting from a massive system crash when there was
no way to gracefully restart. This sort of system error is not
all that uncommon, so why don't all the other people with
SilverLining have this problem?
Here's a challenge to all the people who say SilverLining is
the best thing since sliced bread. As soon as you have time to
spare, find your SilverLining disks (just in case), and while in
some junk document in a program, press the programmers reset
switch to reboot the system. Watch what happens. Does your
machine just reboot happily, or do you have to re-install
SilverLining twice, like the doom-sayers claim you have to?
Please post the result to the nets. Thanks.
Here's a question to those people who think SilverLining has
the moral constitution of Wonder Bread. What sort of system
software, hardware, etc, are you running? Do you have the
absolute latest version? Should you have an earlier version
because you aren't running the latest system software? Have you
talked to the REAL tech support at LaCie, or merely someone who
answers the phones? Try calling and screaming until you can talk
to a programmer?
Just maybe the answers to these questions will settle this
unsettling conflict between the majority of people who love
SilverLining and the few people who are using it for cat litter.
Whatever you do, and whoever you are, justify yourself!
(too bad LaCie isn't on the net)
--
Adam C. Engst temporarily borrowing>>>>>>a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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-Paul Simon HKR@psuvm.psu.edu (Ken Rosenberry) (04/10/90)
In article <3843.2621a673@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (O) says: > Here's a question to those people who think SilverLining has > the moral constitution of Wonder Bread. What sort of system > software, hardware, etc, are you running? Do you have the > absolute latest version? ... Count me as one of the "Wonder Bread Believers". I've had a LaCie 80 meg hard drive for the past 2 years and have never had to run SilverLining twice to mount the hard disk. I have only formatted the drive twice, once before using it with my MacPlus, and once before I upgraded to a IIci. In both cases, I just wanted to make sure the drive was at the best interleave factor. The current system I use the drive with is: Mac IIci Apple Tape Backup (set to SCSI address 2) System Software 6.0.5 Silver Lining 5.16 Countless init's I would highly recommend the LaCie drives and the SilverLining software. ----- Ken Rosenberry BITNET: hkr@psuvm Lead Systems Programmer Internet: hkr@psuvm.psu.edu Pennsylvania State University APPLELINK: u0485
mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) (04/10/90)
In article <3843.2621a673@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (O) writes: > > OK, I'm getting tired of this. WHAT is the deal with > SilverLining? I see a lot of people who are happy with it on the > net, and then I see a posting here and there which says that it > really stinks. The people who don't like seem to mainly have > problems with rebooting from a massive system crash when there was > no way to gracefully restart. This sort of system error is not > all that uncommon, so why don't all the other people with > SilverLining have this problem? OK. Here goes. I've had a LaCie Cirrus 105 for a few months now. It was formatted and partitioned with Silverlining 5.18. The system: System: Mac IIx, 5Mb RAM, LaCie 105Mb HD, System 6.0.4, Finder 6.1.4, Multifinder 6.1b7, millions of inits (init cdev 3.0, Vaccine v1, GateKeeper Aid, AntiToxin INIT, Sound Master, Color Arrow, Color Finder, Dimmer, Finder Sounds, IconWrap 1.2, Logout 1.0, Master Strokes, Mouse2, OnCue, Pop-Keys, Rear Window MF, Scroll Limit, SCSI, Smooth Clock, Suitcase II 1.2.6, SuperClock 3.1, SuperVideo, WindowList, Boomerang 2.0, DeskPict, Randomizer, SUM Shield INIT). I program on this machine, and so I get some really interesting system crashes. I've also rebooted it numerous times with the programmer's switch, and I've powered it down with the rear switch directly a few times. I have never EVER had any difficulty with the SilverLining software. The drive always reboots like a champ. I do think it's some of the greatest software since SlicedBread (4.11 :-)). HOWEVER, their documentation does mention that certain features aren't guaranteed to work with non-LaCie drives. If I were you, I'd give them a call, and ask for tech support. They've always been very friendly to me, but I'm always friendly to them. Ask them what, if any, problems are likely to arise if you use the software with a non-LaCie drive. --Mike
rterry@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Ray Terry) (04/11/90)
> Here's a challenge to all the people who say SilverLining is > the best thing since sliced bread. As soon as you have time to > spare, find your SilverLining disks (just in case), and while in > some junk document in a program, press the programmers reset > switch to reboot the system. Watch what happens. Does your > machine just reboot happily, or do you have to re-install > SilverLining twice, like the doom-sayers claim you have to? > Please post the result to the nets. Thanks. > I have done that many many times. I seem to remember problems with that on old old flavors of Silverlining, but that ceased to be a problem since moving to 5.17 (I think the newest newest is 5.22). In any event, I have not reinstalled Silverlining -or- had to use DiskFirstAid once since moving to 5.17. > Here's a question to those people who think SilverLining has > the moral constitution of Wonder Bread. What sort of system > software, hardware, etc, are you running? Do you have the > absolute latest version? Should you have an earlier version > because you aren't running the latest system software? I've -always- used the latest and greatest version of the system software that Apple would send me (I have their electronic distribution license). Currently on 6.0.5. > Have you talked to the REAL tech support at LaCie, or merely someone who Yes, several times I have spoken to a person that actually knew something. All I had to do was ask (to talk to a 'real' person). Hope that helps. Ray * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ray Terry GEnie = R.Terry CONNECT = Ray HPDesk = /HP4700 Packet = N6PHJ @ N6IIU.#NOCAL.CA.USA UUCP = sun!hpda!hpcupt1!rterry Domain = rterry%hpda@hplabs.hp.com SysOp = MacScience BBS 408-866-4933 CIS = 71150,735 UUPC = vsi1!gsi!macsci!Postmaster@ames.arc.nasa.gov
pdel@zodiac.ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas) (04/11/90)
In article <3843.2621a673@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (O) writes: > > OK, I'm getting tired of this. WHAT is the deal with > SilverLining? > Here's a challenge to all the people who say SilverLining is > the best thing since sliced bread. As soon as you have time... > > Whatever you do, and whoever you are, justify yourself! > (too bad LaCie isn't on the net) Maybe I'll try that acid test you requested, but at the moment I don't need to know if Silverlining is the best of its kind. All I know is that it saved my HD once, and until it fails to do what I need it to, then for me, it's the best thing since sliced bread.:) Peter D.
wiseman@tellab5.tellabs.com (Jeff Wiseman) (04/13/90)
In article <3843.2621a673@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> a6ey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (O) writes: > > OK, I'm getting tired of this. WHAT is the deal with > SilverLining? I see a lot of people who are happy with it on the > net, and then I see a posting here and there which says that it > really stinks. The people who don't like seem to mainly have This is one product that I really beleive in, and I have found some bugs that LaCies tech support didn't know of. The only problem that I have seen recently was a situation where going in and out and in and out of setting passwords on a partition (with the silverlining app. being run from the startup disk--something that you wouldn't normally do anyway), the disk lost track of its partitions but then prompted if you wanted it fixed. when you say yes, it fixes them. The only thing is that you looose the passwords and have to reset them. But I don't care. I have never seen it on my machine (sys 6.0.2, 6 or so inits, SE dual floppy running 2 external disks-- one a 40M quantum from Lacie and the OTHER a 20M apple miniscrib taken from an upgraded SE20 inside a Lacie external box and totally reformatted and loaded with silverlining drivers- 2 partitions). The little pixel that flashes nicely ORs the two drives activity. I have a total of 5 partitions that I regularly reshuffle sizes and optimze (my disks are pretty crammed). Never any problems. And I love the feature set and intuitive interface. All software has bugs. Nice applications are nice because they have few bugs and the ones they have you want to ignore because you like the interface and the way the product functions in general (Dollars and $ense is a good extreme of this example. Lots of bugs but people like the way it works so much that they try and deal with the frustrations of the bugs--ie. they try to figure a way around them). I've only found one significant "bug" and I'm not sure weather or not it was even due to the silverlining application itself or not. BUT... Any company that has: - a 1-800 number for tech support - actually answers calls - regularly RETURNS calls within a day - tech support that will ask the programmers the answer if they don't know it themselves rather than try to make one up. - will hold your hand and say "I'm sorry to hear that" (and mean it) if they DON'T know the answer :-) - can issue a string of updates for the cost of handling ($5). Just CAN'T be ALL BAD! (but then, I like it when people talk to me :-) Just my 2 cents worth. -- Jeff Wiseman: ....uunet!tellab5!wiseman OR wiseman@TELLABS.COM
jjw7384@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Jeff Wasilko) (04/13/90)
For what its worth, I hit the reset switch while running an app under multifinder and didn't have any problem rebooting. I've got three drives (152 meg Wren III and 2 30 meg 138Ns) all formatted with Silverlining. Jeff -- | RIT VAX/VMS Systems: | Jeff Wasilko | RIT Ultrix Systems: | |BITNET: jjw7384@ritvax+----------------------+INET:jjw7384@ultb.isc.rit.edu| |UUCP: {psuvax1, mcvax}!ritvax.bitnet!JJW7384 +___UUCP:jjw7384@ultb.UUCP____+ |INTERNET: jjw7384@isc.rit.edu |'claimer: No one cares. |