bogstad@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Bill Bogstad/Sejnofski) (04/08/90)
Hi everybody. I've got an idea that I need to verify before proposing it to my boss. A guy in our service department has made the statement that a MacII->IIfx logic board upgrade is going to run around $2200. This got me thinking about a reasonably priced IIfx. Am I missing something in the pricelist below? Any ideas or comments are appreciated. MacII (Pre-Owned Electronics) $2195 Logic Board Upgrade $2200 Memory (Absolutely no idea. Totally guessing!) $1000 Quantum 105 MB drive $ 699 Apple 1.4 Meg HD Drive ~$ 400 ----------------------------------------------------- Total: $6494 This is a far cry from the $10,000-$12,000 I've seen it being priced at. Have I missed something here? I'll never understand how Apple arrives at such outrageous figures. Chris Ziomkowski The SALK Institute, CNL Programming and Systems Specialist 10010 N. Torrey Pines Rd. chris@helmholtz.sdsc.edu La Jolla, CA 92037
dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) (04/08/90)
In article <9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> chris@helmholtz.sdsc.edu (Chris Ziomkowski) writes: >Am I missing something in the pricelist below? Any ideas or >comments are appreciated. > >MacII (Pre-Owned Electronics) $2195 >Logic Board Upgrade $2200 >Memory (Absolutely no idea. Totally guessing!) $1000 >Quantum 105 MB drive $ 699 >Apple 1.4 Meg HD Drive ~$ 400 >----------------------------------------------------- >Total: $6494 > >This is a far cry from the $10,000-$12,000 I've seen it being priced at. Have >I missed something here? I'll never understand how Apple arrives at such >outrageous figures. > >Chris Ziomkowski The SALK Institute, CNL Well, you might want some video output :-) Add something like $400 - $5000 depending on your video requirements (low-end would be greyscale or monochrome video, small monitor. High end would be a nice 19" Radius display with the Apple 8/24GS card.) Those are guesstimates for prices. Otherwise, I think you've picked a good way to go about a //fx purchase. You might also want a beefier power supply with the nice quiet fans like the //fx includes; that'll be $300 at Apple's ripoff prices, no doubt. _Dan -- | Same as it ever was | Dan Schwarz, MB 2926 Brandeis U. | RECYCLE YOUR JUNK| | Same as it ever was | I'NET dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu | SUPPORT EARTH DAY| | Same as it ever was |----------------------------------| tradetapes?mailme| | Same as it ever was...TALKING HEADS "Once in a Lifetime"| FloydRushDeadEtc.|
bparsia@eagle.wesleyan.edu (04/08/90)
In article <2337@network.ucsd.edu>, barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) writes: > In article <1990Apr08.043521.1151@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) writes: >>In article <9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> chris@helmholtz.sdsc.edu (Chris Ziomkowski) writes: >>>MacII (Pre-Owned Electronics) $2195 >>>Logic Board Upgrade $2200 >>>Memory (Absolutely no idea. Totally guessing!) $1000 >>>Quantum 105 MB drive $ 699 >>>Apple 1.4 Meg HD Drive ~$ 400 >>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>Total: $6494 >>> >>>This is a far cry from the $10,000-$12,000 I've seen it being priced at. Sure, it's a far cry from the *Apple SUGGESTED retail pricing*, but if you look in the New York Times Science section (or MacWorld/MacUser) you'll find that the base line fx runs at about $6000-8000. That's *with* (I think) the memory. I wouldn't be surprised if the memory cost a *bunch* more than you guessed. > >>Well, you might want some video output :-) >>Add something like $400 - $5000 depending on your video requirements >>I think you've picked a good way to go about a //fx purchase. > > Chris doesn't seem to be far off the mark, actually. I've been looking > though the local classfied ads in the paper and have come up with > these figures: > > Used Mac II (color 8-bit monitor, 40 meg HD, $3200 > 5 megs RAM) > IIfx motherboard upgrade $2900 > Apple FDHD drive upgrade $ 600 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Total $6700 > > The FDHD drive is, of course, optional. And from what I've been > reading on the net, the IIfx upgrade is $2900, not $2200. > > A brand new Apple RGB monitor and 8-bit card (at educational > prices) runs about $1200. With that, Chris's price comes to about > $7700. > > I, too, wonder why Apple hadn't taken this route into account when > they priced the IIfx. > Simply because they did take into account that almost no reseller would price the fx at what they suggest. Anyone know the list price for a plus? Anyone actually pay that astronomical figure? Unversity pricing gives about the same discount (though in some places, a university price is more than a street price). Shop around before you go the wierd upgrading root. With almost every Apple upgrade that I've priced or read about (not to many, to be sure), it was a better deal to sell the old computer and buy a new one. Bijan J. Parsia
barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) (04/09/90)
In article <1990Apr08.043521.1151@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) writes: >In article <9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> chris@helmholtz.sdsc.edu (Chris Ziomkowski) writes: >>MacII (Pre-Owned Electronics) $2195 >>Logic Board Upgrade $2200 >>Memory (Absolutely no idea. Totally guessing!) $1000 >>Quantum 105 MB drive $ 699 >>Apple 1.4 Meg HD Drive ~$ 400 >>----------------------------------------------------- >>Total: $6494 >> >>This is a far cry from the $10,000-$12,000 I've seen it being priced at. >Well, you might want some video output :-) >Add something like $400 - $5000 depending on your video requirements >I think you've picked a good way to go about a //fx purchase. Chris doesn't seem to be far off the mark, actually. I've been looking though the local classfied ads in the paper and have come up with these figures: Used Mac II (color 8-bit monitor, 40 meg HD, $3200 5 megs RAM) IIfx motherboard upgrade $2900 Apple FDHD drive upgrade $ 600 ------------------------------------------------------- Total $6700 The FDHD drive is, of course, optional. And from what I've been reading on the net, the IIfx upgrade is $2900, not $2200. A brand new Apple RGB monitor and 8-bit card (at educational prices) runs about $1200. With that, Chris's price comes to about $7700. I, too, wonder why Apple hadn't taken this route into account when they priced the IIfx. -- _____ _____ Barry Brown _|__ | | | / ---- / \ \ /" __ barry@network.ucsd.edu | | | | / | \/ / | bebrown@ucsd.bitnet / _| | |/ / ------ \ __/ __|_ ...!ucsd!network!barry
thewho@portia.Stanford.EDU (Derek Fong) (04/09/90)
In article <2337@network.ucsd.edu> barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) writes: >In article <1990Apr08.043521.1151@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) writes: >>In article <9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> chris@helmholtz.sdsc.edu (Chris Ziomkowski) writes: >>>Total: $6494 >Total $6700 > >The FDHD drive is, of course, optional. And from what I've been >reading on the net, the IIfx upgrade is $2900, not $2200. >I, too, wonder why Apple hadn't taken this route into account when >they priced the IIfx. Well, I would have to check to give you exact figures, but I think a brand new IIfx via Stanford's education discount with 4 MB RAM and the 80 MB hard drive runs around $6500, the 160 MB config runs around $7400. Therefore, at educational Apple's pricing makes some sense. But I do agree a little. Apple tendsto usually make upgrades more costly than buying the new machine. If anyone wants, I can get the exact figures to the above quoted prices. I know that the stripped machine is below $6000. ---Derek Fong fong@cive.stanford.edu thewho@portia.stanford.edu
barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) (04/09/90)
In article <10939@portia.Stanford.EDU> thewho@portia.Stanford.EDU (Derek Fong) writes: >> [Various price quotes by various people, including myself, deleted] >Well, I would have to check to give you exact figures, but I think a brand >new IIfx via Stanford's education discount with 4 MB RAM and the 80 MB hard >drive runs around $6500, the 160 MB config runs around $7400. The price lists here have't yet been updated to include the IIfx, but I imagine that it would be very similar to Stanford's. That price doesn't include the monitor, does it? If it doesn't, then the upgrade path I and others mentioned brings the price to below that of a new machine. -- _____ _____ Barry Brown _|__ | | | / ---- / \ \ /" __ barry@network.ucsd.edu | | | | / | \/ / | bebrown@ucsd.bitnet / _| | |/ / ------ \ __/ __|_ ...!ucsd!network!barry
gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu (04/10/90)
In article <2337@network.ucsd.edu>, barry@network.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) writes... [how it's as cheap to buy a used II and upgrade to IIfx as to buy new IIfx] >I, too, wonder why Apple hadn't taken this route into account when >they priced the IIfx. Maybe -- now hold on to your hats here -- they actually wanted to give II owners a good deal. Hey: it could happen! Maybe this is a vision of the "new" Apple. Robert ============================================================================ = gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu * generic disclaimer: * "It's more fun to = = * all my opinions are * compute" = = * mine * -Kraftwerk = ============================================================================
ac08@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (04/10/90)
In article <7616@goofy.Apple.COM>, rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: > References:<9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <1990Apr08.043521.1151@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> <2337@network.ucsd.edu> <10939@portia.Stanford.EDU> <2338@network.ucsd.edu> > > Be careful about RAM. I'm not the expert (so maybe I shouldn't speak up) > but I think the IIfx requires faster RAM than a II or IIx (and maybe even > a IIci). You can't assume that your used II has RAM that will work in the > IIfx. > > Any experts who can confirm or deny? > > ========================================================================== > Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh > Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 rmh@apple.com > Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do > 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 77-A | not necessarily represent those of my > Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc." You can be *certain* it won't work... The IIfx uses 64-pin SIMMS! "Old" RAM won't work at all... and the 64-pin SIMMS are only available from Apple (can you say proprietary?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chad Irby ac08@untvax ac08@vaxa.acs.unt.edu
rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) (04/10/90)
Be careful about RAM. I'm not the expert (so maybe I shouldn't speak up)
but I think the IIfx requires faster RAM than a II or IIx (and maybe even
a IIci). You can't assume that your used II has RAM that will work in the
IIfx.
Any experts who can confirm or deny?
==========================================================================
Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh
Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 rmh@apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do
20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 77-A | not necessarily represent those of my
Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."jdevoto@Apple.COM (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) (04/10/90)
In article <7616@goofy.Apple.COM> rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: >Be careful about RAM. I'm not the expert (so maybe I shouldn't speak up) >but I think the IIfx requires faster RAM than a II or IIx (and maybe even >a IIci). You can't assume that your used II has RAM that will work in the >IIfx. > >Any experts who can confirm or deny? Actually, the IIfx uses a completely different pinout on the SIMM boards (to speed up reads and writes), so SIMMs that work in other Macs can't be used in the IIfx regardless of speed. If you have an investment in 1M SIMMs for a II or IIx, you can always sell them, though. -- ====== jeanne a. e. devoto ======================================== jdevoto@apple.com | You may not distribute this article under a jdevoto@well.UUCP | compilation copyright without my permission. ___________________________________________________________________ Apple Computer and I are not authorized | CI$: 72411,165 to speak for each other. | AppleLink: SQA.TEST
ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac) (04/10/90)
In article <23538.2620efdc@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ac08@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes: >The IIfx uses 64-pin SIMMS! >"Old" RAM won't work at all... and the 64-pin SIMMS are only available >from Apple (can you say proprietary?) No, but I can say "novel." 64-pin SIMMs weren't available from any 3rd party when the IIfx was announced, but they are now. The latest MacWEEK has a couple of ads for them. Not surprisingly, the prices are a fraction of what Apple's asking. >Chad Irby >ac08@untvax >ac08@vaxa.acs.unt.edu -- Ephraim Vishniac ephraim@think.com ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142 One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
marc@Apple.COM (Mark Dawson) (04/10/90)
In article <7616@goofy.Apple.COM> rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: >Be careful about RAM. I'm not the expert (so maybe I shouldn't speak up) >but I think the IIfx requires faster RAM than a II or IIx (and maybe even >a IIci). You can't assume that your used II has RAM that will work in the >IIfx. > No RAM (SIMMs) from any other Mac machine will work in the fx--it requires a different SIMM (same as the LaserWriter); I believe that it requires 80ns RAM (just like the IIci). I've heard that 3rd parties have started selling this memory; can anyone confirm this? Mark -- --------------------------------- Mark Dawson Service Diagnostic Engineering AppleLink: Dawson.M Apple says what it says; I say what I say. We're different ---------------------------------
fiddler@concertina.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (04/11/90)
In article <23538.2620efdc@vaxb.acs.unt.edu>, ac08@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes: > In article <7616@goofy.Apple.COM>, rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) writes: > > References:<9573@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <1990Apr08.043521.1151@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> <2337@network.ucsd.edu> <10939@portia.Stanford.EDU> <2338@network.ucsd.edu> > > > > Be careful about RAM. I'm not the expert (so maybe I shouldn't speak up) > > but I think the IIfx requires faster RAM than a II or IIx (and maybe even > > a IIci). You can't assume that your used II has RAM that will work in the > > IIfx. > > You can be *certain* it won't work... > The IIfx uses 64-pin SIMMS! > "Old" RAM won't work at all... and the 64-pin SIMMS are only available > from Apple (can you say proprietary?) At least one third-party vendor has announced that they will be selling the fancy 64-pin SIMMs...for about half of Apple's price. (Apple gets them from *somebody, they don't make their own memory chips.) ------------ "Up the airey mountain, down the rushy glen, we daren't go a-hunting for fear of little men..." ('cause Fish and Game has taken to hiring axe-carrying dwarves)
dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) (04/13/90)
In article <134231@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) writes: > At least one third-party vendor has announced that they will be > selling the fancy 64-pin SIMMs...for about half of Apple's > price. There were at least two vendors on the main floor at MacWorld yesterday, offering 1-meg fx-compatible SIMMs. One big seller was asking $139/meg, while a small "buy direct out of the box" vendor was asking $109/meg. 4-meg fx-compatible SIMMs will be available shortly. -- Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 493-8805 UUCP: ...!{ames,apple,uunet}!coherent!dplatt DOMAIN: dplatt@coherent.com INTERNET: coherent!dplatt@ames.arpa, ...@uunet.uu.net USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc. 3350 West Bayshore #205 Palo Alto CA 94303
bmug@garnet.berkeley.edu (BMUG) (04/13/90)
In article <52756@coherent.coherent.com> dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) writes: >In article <134231@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) writes: > >> At least one third-party vendor has announced that they will be >> selling the fancy 64-pin SIMMs...for about half of Apple's >> price. > >There were at least two vendors on the main floor at MacWorld yesterday, >offering 1-meg fx-compatible SIMMs. One big seller was asking $139/meg, >while a small "buy direct out of the box" vendor was asking $109/meg. >4-meg fx-compatible SIMMs will be available shortly. > A worker at the Technology Works booth mentioned show special prices of $98 for FX 1-meg SIMMs and $500 for FX 4-meg SIMMs. I wasn't really in SIMM-hunting mode so I didn't do a lot of comparison shopping. These prices seemed damn good to me, though. Of course, there's probably enough competition to drive some of the prices lower in the next couple of months. Any upturn in memory prices was not evident on the floors of the MacWorld Expo. John Heckendorn /\ BMUG ARPA: bmug@garnet.berkeley.EDU A__A 1442A Walnut St., #62 BITNET: bmug@ucbgarne |()| Berkeley, CA 94709 Phone: (415) 549-2684 | |