wrd@tekigm2.UUCP (Bill Dippert) (01/29/86)
Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today.
bill@dayton.UUCP (Bill Argyros) (01/29/86)
I am very glad to find that I am not the only one who knows
that this is no reason to stop space exploration. The problem
must be found and corrected before any more manned flights, but
this will happen. It always has before.
"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But
to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly
unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect"
I only wish the President had given credit for the first and
last lines from the poem he quoted:
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter silvered wings,
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sunsplit clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft theough footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
John Gillespie Magee, Jr.
The Dream is Still Alive.
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Mpls, Mn. 55408henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (01/29/86)
"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we
hope if anything happens to us, it will not delay the program. The conquest
of space is worth the risk of life."
Virgil I. Grissom
commander, Apollo 1
speaking a few weeks before his
death in the Apollo fire
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Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
{allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henryhankb@teklds.UUCP (Hank Buurman) (01/30/86)
In article <394@tekigm2.UUCP> wrd@tekigm2.UUCP (Bill Dippert) writes: >Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today. I second Bill's suggestion. This great ship, and her gallent crew, will be engraved on our hearts forever. -- Hank Buurman Tektronix Inc. ihnp4!tektonix!tekla!hankb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long, and you have burned so very very brightly, Roy". -- Dr. Tyrell, Tyrell Corp. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
hankb@teklds.UUCP (Hank Buurman) (01/30/86)
In article <1575@teklds.UUCP> hankb@teklds.UUCP (Hank Buurman) writes: >In article <394@tekigm2.UUCP> wrd@tekigm2.UUCP (Bill Dippert) writes: >>Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today. > >I second Bill's suggestion. This great ship, and her gallent crew, will >be engraved on our hearts forever. > > Hank Buurman Tektronix Inc. ihnp4!tektonix!tekla!hankb > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long, and you > have burned so very very brightly, Roy". -- Dr. Tyrell, Tyrell Corp. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My apologies for the inappropriate .signature on the above posting. -- Hank Buurman Tektronix Inc. ihnp4!tektronix!tekla!hankb -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." -- Roy Baty, N6MAA10816, Nexus6, Combat Model -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
roper@chinet.UUCP (Bill Roper) (01/30/86)
If there is any justice, the names of the seven men in the crew will not be used as justification to substitute unmanned flight for manned. My next door neighbor, Doug Van Dorn, saw something in the slow motion replay of the explosion which appears to be Challenger, tumbling in the fraction of a second after the shuttle was engulfed in flame. The image is white-hot, glowing brighter than the surrounding explosion, which seems reasonable for the silica tiles. Challenger seems to come broadside to the camera for a moment, then continues to tumble. The last that can be seen is the tail disappearing where the nose of the shuttle had been before the explosion. I mention this because the commentators on ABC didn't see it and I thought that it might be of some interest. It shows up very clearly when you run the super-slow-motion films frame by frame on a VCR. -- Bill Roper, ihnp4!chinet!roper
coffin@mot.UUCP (Dracula) (01/30/86)
Would someone please post to this newsgroup the complete words to the poem "High Flight". Thank You. Chris Coffin ihnp4!mot!coffin ihnp4!mot!macs!chris
jlg@lanl.ARPA (01/31/86)
References: One of the unfortunate consequences of the disaster this Tuesday will be the increasing control of the remaining shuttle fleet by the military. For many years now, federal income tax forms have included a box for voluntary support of presidential election campaigns. I have always thought that a similar box should exist to voluntarily augment support for non-military space exploration. In light of recent events, it could be called 'The Challenger Fund'. The use of such a box would also help politicians gauge the level of support for space exploration among the taxpayers (polls are notoriously unreliable). I make this suggestion in place of an expression of grief or condolence. I haven't the talent to say near what I feel. J. Giles Los Alamos
boechat@mcnc.UUCP (01/31/86)
In article <394@tekigm2.UUCP> wrd@tekigm2.UUCP (Bill Dippert) writes: >Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today. I agree with you, I think we can pay them this little tribute to keep the dream alive. J.-M. Boechat ... decvax!mcnc!boechat
wex@milano.UUCP (01/31/86)
Heard on the news last night: two Austin businessmen are setting up a non-
profit corp to raise money to build a new shuttle to replace Challenger.
Cost: $5 per citizen of the US.
BUT...
I read in the paper today that NASA says it'll take the money, but won't
promise to use it for a new shuttle. No reason was given.
Just thought y'all'd like to know.
--
Alan Wexelblat
ARPA: WEX@MCC.ARPA
UUCP: {ihnp4, seismo, harvard, gatech, pyramid}!ut-sally!im4u!milano!wex
"What a long, strange trip it's been"ingrid@pilchuckDataio.UUCP (the Real Swede) (01/31/86)
> Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today.
I second your vote!don@umd5.UUCP (02/01/86)
> "If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business, and we > hope if anything happens to us, it will not delay the program. The conquest > of space is worth the risk of life." > > Virgil I. Grissom > commander, Apollo 1 > speaking a few weeks before his > death in the Apollo fire > -- > Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry >>From: rjnoe@riccb.UUCP > Organization: Rockwell International - Downers Grove, IL > >> I'm feeling a lot of grief. >> >> Maybe we should rename the news-group net.challenger, in memoriam? >> -- >> ....!hplabs!faunt faunt@hplabs.ARPA 415-655-8604 > > Your grief is understood and shared by all. But if (IF) the group is to be > renamed, it may as well be net.space.shuttle. > -- > Roger Noe ihnp4!riccb!rjnoe Given Virgil "Gus" Grissom's quote above, I think we should indeed accept the loss of the US Space Shuttle Challenger, and move on ... I think the newsgroup ought to be renamed "net.space.shuttle" so as to include ALL of the space shuttles; not excluding any one of them. -- --==---==---==-- "beware the fruminous Bandersnatch" ARPA: don@umd5.UMD.EDU BITNET: don%umd5@umd2 UUCP: ..!{ seismo!umcp-cs, ihnp4!rlgvax }!cvl!umd5!don (NOTE: Please mail to umcp-cs!cvl!umd5!don NOT umd5!cvl!umcp-cs!don) umcp-cs ::= mimsy.UMD.EDU | maryland.ARPA | umcp-cs.UUCP
sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) (02/01/86)
>Why not rename this group net.challenger in honor of those who died today.
Why not name the group net.space.shuttle, which is what the damn thing is
about.
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In article <846@umd5.UUCP>, don@umd5.UUCP writes: > Given Virgil "Gus" Grissom's quote above, I think we should indeed accept > the loss of the US Space Shuttle Challenger, and move on ... I think the > newsgroup ought to be renamed "net.space.shuttle" so as to include ALL > of the space shuttles; not excluding any one of them. AMEM!!!! rename and move on!!!
desj@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (David desJardins) (02/02/86)
In article <702@milano.UUCP> wex@milano.UUCP writes: > >I read in the paper today that NASA says it'll take the money, but won't >promise to use it for a new shuttle. No reason was given. I believe that the government is not allowed to accept private contributions for a specific project, except perhaps by special legislative arrangement. -- David desJardins
john@frog.UUCP (John Woods, Software) (02/03/86)
> In article <702@milano.UUCP> wex@milano.UUCP writes: > > > >I read in the paper today that NASA says it'll take the money, but won't > >promise to use it for a new shuttle. No reason was given. > > I believe that the government is not allowed to accept private > contributions for a specific project, except perhaps by special > legislative arrangement. > > -- David desJardins > Someone is collecting these messages to take them to Senator Garn. Perhaps a horde of suggestions that the legislature especially arrange this is in order. -- John Woods, Charles River Data Systems, Framingham MA, (617) 626-1101 ...!decvax!frog!john, ...!mit-eddie!jfw, jfw%mit-ccc@MIT-XX.ARPA This space dedicated to Challenger and her crew, Francis R. Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Ellison S. Onizuka, Judith Resnik, Ronald E. McNair, Gregory B. Jarvis, and Christa McAuliffe. "...and slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch the face of God."
mitchell@kvue.UUCP (Roger Mitchell) (02/05/86)
>Would someone please post to this newsgroup the complete words >to the poem "High Flight". The complete poem, as far as I can remember it (we used to play it as the "sign-off" announcement on our station) is as follows: "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace, Where never lark, or even eagle, flew; And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod The high, untresspassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God." The poem was written by John Magee, Jr, a 19-year-old Royal Canadian Air Force volunteer who was killed in action during the opening weeks of WWII. It is, I believe, a most fitting tribute to those men and women who gave their lives in the pursuit of space. Roger Mitchell KVUE-TV - Austin, TX