[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Experiences with non-Mac CDs

barry@wolman.prime.com (07/14/90)

We have two Macs at work with attached CD-ROM drives (an Apple and a
Toshiba).  Both Macs have no problems reading Mac CDs (such as Phil &
Dave's ...) or playing audio CDs.  However, neither Mac seems able to
read a non-Mac CD.  I borrowed "The Microsoft Bookshelf" CD from a
Netware server and tried it with both Macs.  In both cases, I got "This
is not a Macintosh disk ...  initialize?" dialog box.  I had GUESSED
that a disk from Microsoft would be in ISO/High Sierra format, but I
don't know this for sure.  Both systems have the latest CD software from
apple.com FTP site. 

What am I doing wrong? Has anyone successfully used ISO/High Sierra CDs
on their Mac? If so, please suggest a title or two that I could try. 

Apple CD manual says the message I'm getting indicates the CD is not Mac
or ISO/High Sierra format.  What type IS "The Microsoft Bookshelf"?

This is cross posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc, because I thought a PCer might
be more familiar with Microsoft CDs.

Thanks in advance,
	Barry
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blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) (07/15/90)

barry@wolman.prime.com writes:
>What am I doing wrong? Has anyone successfully used ISO/High Sierra CDs
>on their Mac? If so, please suggest a title or two that I could try. 

Yes, valid High Sierra/ISO 9660 format CD-ROMs work fine on a Macintosh.
See below for the explanation.

>Apple CD manual says the message I'm getting indicates the CD is not Mac
>or ISO/High Sierra format.  What type IS "The Microsoft Bookshelf"?

Bastardized High Sierra format.  When Microsoft pressed the Microsoft
Bookshelf CD-ROM, they neglected (actually, the formatting software
they used to pre-master the CD-ROM image neglected) to put on some
directory information for the Motorola-oriented directories.  This
means that the CD-ROM isn't in High Sierra format.  The CD-ROM contains
enough directory information for a MSDOS machine to work with it, but
not enough information for a Macintosh or other most-significant-byte
first machine.

There were several early High Sierra format CD-ROMs that had similar
bugs.  The company involved in supplying the premastering software has
since corrected the problems they had, and modern CD-ROMs pressed using
their software work fine on the Macintosh as well as MS-DOS computers.

We have a hokey little Macintosh program called CD Validator available
via anonymous ftp from apple.com in
  ~ftp/pub/dts/mac/tools/cd-valid-1-11.hqx
and I apologize in advance for the stupid user interface.  Maybe someday
I'll make it a Macintosh application :-).

--Brian Bechtel		blob@apple.com

demarsee@gamera.cns.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee) (07/17/90)

In article <42994@apple.Apple.COM> blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes:

> >What am I doing wrong? Has anyone successfully used ISO/High Sierra CDs
> >on their Mac? If so, please suggest a title or two that I could try. 
> 
> Yes, valid High Sierra/ISO 9660 format CD-ROMs work fine on a Macintosh.

Well, not if you're running A/UX 2.0 (audio CD's don't work either).  Any 
chance this is going to be fixed in the near future?  It's a rather large pain 
that I have a stack of CD's, mostly in High Sierra format, that I can't access just because I'm running A/UX.

Darryl E. Marsee
Syracuse University
<demarsee@gamera.cns.syr.edu>