hemstree@handel.CS.Colostate.Edu (charles he hemstreet) (10/19/90)
I know, you hear it all the time. This time I think I have a good one. System: 1. system 6.0.5 2. added heap space (256K Finder, 1500K System) 3. 4 meg ram 4. Macpassword, init-cdev 3.0, quickmail, sundesk icons, superclock, blackbox, Apple CD-ROM, deskpict, public folder. 5. Running multifinder 6.1b9 Symptoms: (started last week) 1. Applications frequently quit unexpectedly. (i.e. running microsoft word leave desk with two documents open, come back and find box saying msword quit unexpectedly.) 2. Intermitently unable to receive dynamic KIP numbers from the network (inconsistent to prove this is linked) 3. Screen suddenly turns to the best snow this side of the rockies. 4. On startup, intermitently get fast escalating tones and half screen black, half screen white. How is this for a list? Hope someone out there might be able to help. If you have a suggestion, please email me. Thanks for your help. Charles -- !===========================================================================! ! Charles H. Hemstreet IV !internet: hemstree@handel.cs.Colostate.Edu ! ! Colorado State University ! "am I suppose to say something funny??" ! !===========================================================================!
hemstree@handel.CS.Colostate.Edu (charles he hemstreet) (10/19/90)
In article <HEMSTREE.90Oct18134306@handel.handel.CS.Colostate.Edu> hemstree@handel.CS.Colostate.Edu (charles he hemstreet) writes:
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I know, you hear it all the time. This time I think I have a good
one. System:
1. system 6.0.5
2. added heap space (256K Finder, 1500K System)
3. 4 meg ram
4. Macpassword, init-cdev 3.0, quickmail, sundesk icons, superclock,
blackbox, Apple CD-ROM, deskpict, public folder.
5. Running multifinder 6.1b9
Symptoms: (started last week)
1. Applications frequently quit unexpectedly.
(i.e. running microsoft word leave desk with two documents
open, come back and find box saying msword quit unexpectedly.)
2. Intermitently unable to receive dynamic KIP numbers from the
network (inconsistent to prove this is linked)
3. Screen suddenly turns to the best snow this side of the rockies.
4. On startup, intermitently get fast escalating tones and
half screen black, half screen white.
How is this for a list? Hope someone out there might be able to help.
If you have a suggestion, please email me. Thanks for your help.
Charles
Did I forget to mention that it was a mac II? (classic!) Today it
crashed once again while I was working on it. Minimum inits(blackbox,
superclock, macpassword, init-cdev), working in ncsa telnet...
suddenly short horizontal lines flash on the screen with a little
buzzing, then lockup. I try to restart using programmers key and get
"minor chord" then slow escalating tones. For about an hour it
wouldn't let me even boot it, kept getting tones. Hour is up and
suddenly mac is raised from the dead.
--
!===========================================================================!
! Charles H. Hemstreet IV !internet: hemstree@handel.cs.Colostate.Edu !
! Colorado State University ! "am I suppose to say something funny??" !
!===========================================================================!pasek@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Michael A. Pasek) (10/24/90)
In articles <HEMSTREE.90Oct18222530@handel.handel.CS.Colostate.Edu> and <HEMSTREE.90Oct18134306@handel.handel.CS.Colostate.Edu> hemstree@handel.CS.Colostate.Edu (charles he hemstreet) writes: >[header deleted] > I know, you hear it all the time. This time I think I have a good > one. System: > 1. system 6.0.5 > 2. added heap space (256K Finder, 1500K System) > 3. 4 meg ram > 4. Macpassword, init-cdev 3.0, quickmail, sundesk icons, superclock, > blackbox, Apple CD-ROM, deskpict, public folder. > 5. Running multifinder 6.1b9 > Symptoms: (started last week) > 1. Applications frequently quit unexpectedly. > (i.e. running microsoft word leave desk with two documents > open, come back and find box saying msword quit unexpectedly.) > 2. Intermitently unable to receive dynamic KIP numbers from the > network (inconsistent to prove this is linked) > 3. Screen suddenly turns to the best snow this side of the rockies. > 4. On startup, intermitently get fast escalating tones and > half screen black, half screen white. > How is this for a list? Hope someone out there might be able to help. > If you have a suggestion, please email me. Thanks for your help. > >Did I forget to mention that it was a mac II? (classic!) Today it >crashed once again while I was working on it. Minimum inits(blackbox, >superclock, macpassword, init-cdev), working in ncsa telnet... >suddenly short horizontal lines flash on the screen with a little >buzzing, then lockup. I try to restart using programmers key and get >"minor chord" then slow escalating tones. For about an hour it >wouldn't let me even boot it, kept getting tones. Hour is up and >suddenly mac is raised from the dead. This, unfortunately, sounds VERY familiar, but I don't have any suggestions. Here's our saga: In April of 1988, our company purchased 3 MacII's, 1 meg, single floppy, Apple 8-bit video, mono monitor, 3rd party external 80meg drives. These systems upgraded to 5 meg in December 1988. These machines are ALL running today with no problems. In April of 1989, we purchase 1 more MacII, 2 meg, single floppy, Apple 8-bit video, mono monitor, 3rd party internal 70meg drive. System runs fine for about 1 year and a few months, then just starts crashing. Hoping that something is corrupted with the System/Finder, I reinstall the system (using the Installer, of course!). When I went to reinstall the AppleShare Workstation software (again using the Installer), the Installer would get a bomb (ID=12?) every time. So, no Appleshare workstation software. Need I mention that the budget was tight at this time, and mgmt. didn't want to send the thing to the dealer until they knew how much it would cost ? :-( They finally sent it to the dealer, who "didn't find anything wrong", but amazingly, now the AppleShare Workstation software installed OK. The system still would crash occasionally (even when unattended). Anyway, this system was used in this "slightly functional" manner for the next year by this poor person. In June of this year, the system was "transferred" to another group (mine, where the other 3 Macs were transferred long ago). Thinking that the problem MIGHT be with the memory, we decided to go ahead and get an additional 4 meg. When this was installed, the crashes did not decrease in frequency. Off to the dealer again. THIS time, the dealer tech said he DID find some failure "in the disk controller", that couldn't be fixed (not an Apple drive), but was working -- at least temporarily. He did acknowledge that it was a "really intermittent" problem. So, we figure "OK, let's get a new drive". So we do. With both drives hooked up (1 internal, 1 external), the failures STILL occurred. Disconnecting the supposedly "bad" internal drive had no effect. This system is STILL in this state, so if ANYONE has any ideas out there, PLEASE let Mr. Hemstree or myself know what your idea is. BTW: Symptoms at failure: 1) most commonly, "Application unexpectedly quit" will be the first sign. This can be almost ANY application. Note that this system does NOT have a pile of INITs. 2) When it's going to go out to lunch all at once, the screen image will get "skewed" -- by this I mean that anywhere from 3 or 4 pixels wide to 1/2 the screen will either have random garbage or be offset a couple of pixels to the right or left (almost like wet ink "smears" when you rub across it). 3) When it has gone into the "hard failure" mode, attempts to restart (either by the RESET programmer's switch or by rear-panel power off and power-switch power on), you get the normal "bing" sound and then the 4-chord scale that means "dropped into Monitor ROM" or something like that (from the Diagnostic Sound Sampler). M. A. Pasek Software Development NCR Comten, Inc. (612) 638-7668 MNI Development 2700 N. Snelling Ave. pasek@c10sd3.StPaul.NCR.COM Roseville, MN 55113