wherry@alazif.cxo.dec.com (bradley g wherry) (10/22/90)
Both the Macintosh IIsi and the Macintosh LC use 3 1/2 inch 1/3 height drives. Does this mean the quantum prodrive series cannot be used as an internal drive on these two systems? (I believe the Quantum prodrives are 3 1/2 inch 1/2 height drives.) thanks. brad -- brad wherry | Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; wherry@alazif.enet.dec.com | e luce ad tenebras.
ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) (10/23/90)
In <1990Oct21.184224@alazif.cxo.dec.com>wherry@alazif.enet.dec.com writes: >Both the Macintosh IIsi and the Macintosh LC use >3 1/2 inch 1/3 height drives. Does this mean the quantum >prodrive series cannot be used as an internal drive on these >two systems? (I believe the Quantum prodrives are 3 1/2 inch >1/2 height drives.) >thanks. >brad You figured it out, 3.5" is to big for both the LC and SI. Prodrives won't fit. New Third height drives do work... -- -- Norm Goodger SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862 3Com Corp. Co-SysOp FreeSoft RT - GEnie. Enterprise Systems Division (I disclaim anything and everything) UUCP: {3comvax,auspex,sun}!bridge2!ngg Internet: ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM
wnn@ornl.gov (Wolfgang N. Naegeli) (10/23/90)
In article <2897@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) writes: > In <1990Oct21.184224@alazif.cxo.dec.com>wherry@alazif.enet.dec.com writes: > >Both the Macintosh IIsi and the Macintosh LC use > >3 1/2 inch 1/3 height drives. Does this mean the quantum > >prodrive series cannot be used as an internal drive on these > >two systems? (I believe the Quantum prodrives are 3 1/2 inch > >1/2 height drives.) > >thanks. > >brad > You figured it out, 3.5" is to big for both the LC and SI. > Prodrives won't fit. New Third height drives do work... I am puzzled why Apple did that. Maybe on purpose, so that options for enhancement are more limited and users who want to make sure they can later use a much larger drive will be more inclined to get a more expensive Mac to start with? Indeed there seems to be a lot of wasted space under the Floppy drive. If the plastic moulding were different, one could easily fit a second hard disk, even a 1/2-height one, below the SuperDrive. Wolfgang N. Naegeli Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-6141 QuickMail (QM-QM): Wolfgang Naegeli @ 615-574-4510 Snail: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6206
TJACOBS@cc.utah.edu (10/25/90)
>> >Both the Macintosh IIsi and the Macintosh LC use >> >3 1/2 inch 1/3 height drives. Does this mean the quantum >> >prodrive series cannot be used as an internal drive on these >> >two systems? (I believe the Quantum prodrives are 3 1/2 inch >> >1/2 height drives.) >> >thanks. >> >brad >> You figured it out, 3.5" is to big for both the LC and SI. >> Prodrives won't fit. New Third height drives do work... > > I am puzzled why Apple did that. Maybe on purpose, so that options for > enhancement are more > limited and users who want to make sure they can later use a much larger > drive will be more inclined to get a more expensive Mac to start with? > Indeed there seems to be a lot of wasted space under the Floppy drive. If > the plastic moulding were different, one could easily fit a second hard > disk, even a 1/2-height one, below the SuperDrive. > > Wolfgang N. Naegeli > Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc > Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-6141 > QuickMail (QM-QM): Wolfgang Naegeli @ 615-574-4510 > Snail: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6206 Let's see, smaller HD -> smaller power supply, smaller case, in addition to perhaps a cheaper HD all addup to a cheaper mfg. cost. Isn't that what the LC & Si are all about? Perhaps the biggest savings they got in the new machines is the smaller mother board and chip count. The Classic is reported to have a 3"x5" mother board or there abouts. They will probably have an exclusivity advantage for awhile, but then thats the profit of being the first to the market with a new product. That won't last too long. Tony Jacobs Center for Engineering Design University of Utah
mrx@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Murphy) (10/25/90)
At the rollout there was a clear case Mac IIsi... I was able to view the location of the hard drive. It looked as if a half height drive could fit in with no problem, but I am not sure. Maybe it simply requires a new bracket. Does anyone know for sure on this issue? Or are we forced to wait for 1/3 height drives? Right now I have a SE/30 and I'm looking to buy the IIsi... it wouldn't be too fun if I have to wait for a 210+ MB 1/3 height drive to come out. As it is, I have to choose between 5MB or 17MB of RAM... there's no in-between on this one! -- mark mrx@dhw68k.cts.com
jdsb@egr.duke.edu (John D. S. Babcock) (10/26/90)
In article <100684@cc.utah.edu> TJACOBS@cc.utah.edu writes: >>> >Both the Macintosh IIsi and the Macintosh LC use >>> >3 1/2 inch 1/3 height drives. Does this mean the quantum >>> >prodrive series cannot be used as an internal drive on these >>> >two systems? (I believe the Quantum prodrives are 3 1/2 inch >>> You figured it out, 3.5" is to big for both the LC and SI. >>> Prodrives won't fit. New Third height drives do work... >Let's see, smaller HD -> smaller power supply, smaller case, in addition to >perhaps a cheaper HD all addup to a cheaper mfg. cost. Isn't that what the >LC & Si are all about? Excuse me, but WHY doesn't a prodrive fit in a IIsi? I just took my Quantum 105MB Prodrive down to our store, and installed it into the bracket supplied with the 40MB drive, plugged it in and booted. It fit fine. It even booted fine until it realized my harddrive was 6.0.4. My drive did work fine once I booted off a 6.0.7 system. So again...Why does it not work? Is the power supply not strong enough? Sterling ------------------------------------------------------------------------- J. D. Sterling Babcock Duke University Electrical Engineering jdsb@dukee.egr.duke.edu att!egr.duke.edu!jdsb
carsup@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Fisher Library support) (10/26/90)
In article <1990Oct25.155702.22879@dhw68k.cts.com> mrx@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Murphy) writes: > > At the rollout there was a clear case Mac IIsi... I was able to view the >location of the hard drive. It looked as if a half height drive could fit >in with no problem, but I am not sure. Maybe it simply requires a new >bracket. Does anyone know for sure on this issue? Or are we forced to >wait for 1/3 height drives? > I'm sick of reading this again and again! There *IS* room in the IIsi for a 1/2 height drive *PROVIDED* you do not intend to stick a NuBus card in it as it stands!! Please check next time you see inside the si and picture a NuBus card on top of the 1/3 height drive. I beg you... :) > Right now I have a SE/30 and I'm looking to buy the IIsi... it wouldn't >be too fun if I have to wait for a 210+ MB 1/3 height drive to come out. >As it is, I have to choose between 5MB or 17MB of RAM... there's no >in-between on this one! > > You can choose the 512K SIMMs or 2meg SIMMs to achieve either a 3Mb of 9Mb system. You had to ask, didn't you? :) **** My employers ignore me, I'm on my own when I speak out in public **** Norton Chia | My address is Micro Support | carsup@extro.ucc.su.oz.au *******************************************************************************
twl@cs.brown.edu (Ted "Theodore" W. Leung) (10/26/90)
Actually, my question is, what are you going to do with that 40meg disk if you're going to install something big inside the IIsi? Ted -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet/CSnet: twl@cs.brown.edu | Ted "Theodore" Leung BITNET: twl@BROWNCS.BITNET | Box 1910, Brown University UUCP: uunet!brunix!twl | Providence, RI 02912
torrie@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Evan James Torrie) (10/27/90)
twl@cs.brown.edu (Ted "Theodore" W. Leung) writes: >Actually, my question is, what are you going to do with that 40meg >disk if you're going to install something big inside the IIsi? My plan was to sell it to a 1 floppy Classic owner... How much does Apple charge retail for the 40MB hard disk upgrade for the Classic?? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Evan Torrie. Stanford University, Class of 199? torrie@cs.stanford.edu Jim Bolger - sleepwalking to victory
ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) (10/27/90)
In article <1990Oct25.155702.22879@dhw68k.cts.com> mrx@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Murphy) writes: > At the rollout there was a clear case Mac IIsi... I was able to view the >location of the hard drive. It looked as if a half height drive could fit >in with no problem, but I am not sure. Maybe it simply requires a new >bracket. Does anyone know for sure on this issue? Or are we forced to >wait for 1/3 height drives? >> >-- >mark mrx@dhw68k.cts.com A 1/2 height drive can be made to fit, but think twice: Do you ever intend to add a Nubus (or PDS?) card to your si? It j-u-s-t clears a 1/3 height drive... -- Ken Stamm (ken@slhisc.uucp, sun.com!gotham!slhisc!ken) (212)341-3868 Shearson Lehman Brothers, 390 Greenwich St. 4W, New York NY 10013 Views expressed here are opaque to the above corporation.