6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) (10/20/90)
Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card will be able to work on Macintosh computers OTHER than the LC? -JL
captkidd@athena.mit.edu (Ivan Cavero Belaunde) (10/20/90)
In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: > >Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card >will be able to work on Macintosh computers OTHER >than the LC? > >-JL It will not. On a aide note, I heard that when the IIe card is being used, the 030 on the LC is running code to translate the video signal onto the onboard video circuitry (since Apple II video is so different from Mac video). Thus it will never be possible to run Apple II stuff under MultiFinder in a window (*that* would've been cool). Can anyone confirm/deny this? -Ivan Cavero Belaunde Design Engineer GCC Technologies Internet: captkidd@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
gaynor@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) (10/22/90)
In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: > >Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card >will be able to work on Macintosh computers OTHER >than the LC? The Apple IIe card is a '020 Processor Direct Slot card, and will only work on the Macintosh LC. At the rollout (Columbus version), I asked the Apple Higher Ed. representative if Apple had any intention of releasing a version of the Apple IIe card in an '030 PDS or NuBus configuration. "That's a good question, Jim. But I cannot comment on unreleased products at this time." They're gettin' -good- at that. <grin> -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jim Gaynor - The Ohio State Univ. - IRCC - Facilities Mgmt. - OCES <whew!> | | Email [gaynor@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu], [gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu] | |_ "Don't tell me truth hurts, little girl; because it hurts like hell..." _|
russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (10/23/90)
In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: > >Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card >will be able to work on Macintosh computers OTHER >than the LC? Yes, and the answer is no. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu .sig under construction, like the rest of this campus.
kenh@hscfsas1.harvard.edu (Ken Hancock) (10/23/90)
In article <1990Oct20.160702.11341@athena.mit.edu> captkidd@athena.mit.edu (Ivan Cavero Belaunde) writes: >It will not. On a aide note, I heard that when the IIe card is being >used, the 030 on the LC is running code to translate the video signal >onto the onboard video circuitry (since Apple II video is so different >from Mac video). Thus it will never be possible to run Apple II stuff >under MultiFinder in a window (*that* would've been cool). Can anyone >confirm/deny this? 'tis true. You'll be able to switch modes between Apple II or Mac mode. Sort of like a reboot without rebooting. (Figure that one...) Ken -- Ken Hancock | INTERNET: kenh@hscfsas1.harvard.edu Isle Systems | Disclaimer: My opinions are mine, Macintosh Consulting | your opinions are yours. Simple, isn't it?
lasj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (10/24/90)
In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: > > Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card > will be able to work on Macintosh computers OTHER > than the LC? > > -JL The word I got was "NO, NO, and NO" for Apple's //e card in anything OTHER than an LC. Larry Slack Cornell University
michel@etl.go.jp (Michel Pasquier) (10/26/90)
In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: > > Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card will be able to > work on Macintosh computers OTHER than the LC? > -JL > It will not. I think that this Apple IIe card is one of the greatest idea Apple ever had, but having it usable in the LC only is one of the poorest idea Apple ever had. -MP. --- "Just a thought" you said - `how.do.you.know.I.can.think?' said the machine. -- Michel Pasquier ........................ AIST/MITI Guest Researcher ElectroTechnical Laboratory . Intelligent Machine Behaviour Section Tsukuba, Ibaraki 205, Japan . Tel: 298-58-5964 . Fax: 298-55-1729 Email: michel@etl.go.jp . "I've no employer, so who do I speak for?
carsup@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Fisher Library support) (10/28/90)
In article <47748@etlcom.etl.go.jp> michel@etl.go.jp (Michel Pasquier) writes: >In article <6686@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600cafa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (JL SYNTH) writes: >> Does anyone know if the $199 Apple IIe software card will be able to >> work on Macintosh computers OTHER than the LC? >> -JL > >It will not. >I think that this Apple IIe card is one of the greatest idea Apple ever had, >but having it usable in the LC only is one of the poorest idea Apple ever had. >-MP. > Michel Pasquier ........................ AIST/MITI Guest Researcher > ElectroTechnical Laboratory . Intelligent Machine Behaviour Section > Tsukuba, Ibaraki 205, Japan . Tel: 298-58-5964 . Fax: 298-55-1729 > Email: michel@etl.go.jp . "I've no employer, so who do I speak for? I don't think it is the poorest ides Apple ever had. :) On the other hand, you really should understand why there was a //e card in the first place... Is it meant to be for everyone? Also, there seems to be a confusion over PDS in various macs. The PDS in the IIci = SE/30 = IIsi. The one in the LC is an 020 Direct slot. You can use the same PDS cards for the SE/30 and IIsi. It will be hard to fit these in the IIci however. **** My employers ignore me, I'm on my own when I speak out in public **** Norton Chia | My address is Micro Support | carsup@extro.ucc.su.oz.au *******************************************************************************
francis@magrathea.uchicago.edu (Francis Stracke) (10/29/90)
In article <1990Oct20.160702.11341@athena.mit.edu> captkidd@athena.mit.edu (Ivan Cavero Belaunde) writes: >It will not. On a aide note, I heard that when the IIe card is being >used, the 030 on the LC is running code to translate the video signal >onto the onboard video circuitry (since Apple II video is so different >from Mac video). Thus it will never be possible to run Apple II stuff >under MultiFinder in a window (*that* would've been cool). Can anyone Anybody know of anyone considering an emulator? It'd be mighty tricky, 'cause there's so much Apple II software that uses direct memory writes, but it might be possible. With an 030 it might actually run at a good speed! (Doesn't have to be a thunderbolt to match the actual machine! :-) | Francis Stracke | My opinions are my own. I don't steal them.| | Department of Mathematics |=============================================| | University of Chicago | Non sequiturs make me eat lampshades | | francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu | |
dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) (10/30/90)
There is (or was) a commercial product for the Mac called "II in a Mac" which did exactly that; emulate an Apple //e completely in software. I remember using it briefly on someone's Mac SE. I was impressed with the level of compatibility as far as ordinary programs went; copy-protected software and things that accessed modems, etc. were a different story. It was a cute but impractical interface: you ran it under single-finder, and got a picture of an Apple II computer on your screen. The Apple's "monitor" is where you actually viewed the software as it was running. I don't know if this program is still available, or if it has been updated to be more compatible. The speed at which it ran was acceptable, but slow compared to my "speedy" 3.6mhz Apple II Plus. I am sure that if it was run on a 16mhz 030 machine, there would be no complaints about speed at all. If the Macintosh can do a credible emulation of the IBM AT computer entirely in software, then doing a good job of emulating an Apple II should be child's play by comparison. -- | Same as it ever was | Dan Schwarz, MB 2926 Brandeis U. | RECYCLE YOUR JUNK| | Same as it ever was | I'NET dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |------------------| | Same as it ever was |----------------------------------| tradetapes?mailme| | Same as it ever was..| NO BLOOD FOR OIL: NO GULF WAR | floydrushdead,etc|
jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) (10/30/90)
In article <1990Oct29.164609.9873@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> dan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dan Schwarz) writes: >If the Macintosh can do a credible emulation of the IBM AT computer entirely in >software, then doing a good job of emulating an Apple II should be child's play >by comparison. There's an Apple II emulator for unix machines. As far as I know it is written in C and it is public domain. It is distributed without ROM code, so you have to upload ROMs from your own Apple II. It does some interesting optimization by trapping well known ROM entry points so that screen I/O is faster than it would otherwise be. It should be easy to port to a Mac II. I guess most parts should eventually be converted to assembly for optimum speed. How does "II in a Mac" solve the ROM problem? ____________________________________________________________________________ / Juri Munkki / Helsinki University of Technology / Wind / Project / / jmunkki@hut.fi / Computing Center Macintosh Support / Surf / STORM / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~