mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (02/04/86)
In article <271@tolerant.UUCP> berry@tolerant.UUCP writes: >> Further thought: Tragic though ALL seven deaths were, the teacher, the >> civilian, Christa McAuliffe, whom all the children were watching, >> has stuck the hearts of the nation as the most tragic of all. >> May I suggest that a new shuttle, once built, be named >> the Space Shuttle McAuliffe. > Resnik, McNair, or Jarvis. To single out McAuliffe seems to > me to be supporting the attitude expressed by John Glenn, > that astronauts are different from civilians, (Because they're > paid for taking chances? I don't know!) and thus civilians > have no business being in space. Poppycock. Since the Russians have named a crater for her, I don't see that naming the shuttle after her is such a pressing thing either; one of the good things the media did (even though they played her upon a lot) was to impress upon us the diversity of the crew, and it would be a bit unfair to the others to single her out so dramatically. I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other names. Or, if the remebrance is prefered, name the new shuttle _Challenger_. C. Wingate
dlnash@ut-ngp.UUCP (Donald L. Nash) (02/04/86)
In message <3035@umcp-cs.UUCP>, mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) writes: > I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden > with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other > names. Or, if the remebrance is prefered, name the new shuttle _Challenger_. > > C. Wingate _Endeavour_ would be a good name, but not _Challenger_. Call me sentimental, but when a ship is destroyed, its name should not used again. To me, that would almost be like saying "Well, it blew up. Oh, well, we'll just make a new one and everything will be OK." As for naming it _Christa_ or _McAlliffe_ (sp?), I don't think that should be done, since there were 6 other people who died, too. I know, she was a civilian, not a military person trained to deal with the possibility of getting killed. But favoring her over the other 6 does not seem fair. Now if we could get 7 new shuttles instead of just 1, ... :-). BTW, did the Russians run out of craters on Venus or what? Surely they could find 5 more to name after the men abord the shuttle. I like the idea of naming 7 of the newly discovered moons of Uranus after the astronauts. Don Nash UUUU UUUU UU UU UUCP: ...!{ihnp4,allegra,seismo!ut-sally}!ut-ngp!dlnash UU TTTTTTTTTUUTTT APRA: dlnash@ngp.UTEXAS.EDU UU TT TT UU TT UU TT UU UU TTUU UUUUUUUU The University of Texas at Austin TT Hook 'em Horns! TTTT
morgan@h-sc1.UUCP (windsor morgan) (02/05/86)
> > BTW, did the Russians run out of craters on Venus or what? Surely they > could find 5 more to name after the men abord the shuttle. I like the > idea of naming 7 of the newly discovered moons of Uranus after the > astronauts. > > > Don Nash > I think that the Soviets decided to name the craters after the women only because they (or the International Astronomical Union) decided to use women's names for formations on the planet Venus. Personally, I ****don't**** think naming the moons after the seven astronauts is a good idea. If we want to remember the seven astronomically, perhaps other formations elsewhere or, not as good an idea, planetoids. -- 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!' Windsor Morgan Harvard College Cambridge, MA 02138 {decvax,ihnp4}!seismo!harvard!{h-sc1,h-sc4}!morgan OR {harvard,allegra,genrad,ihnp4}!wjh12!cfa!morgan
nunes@utai.UUCP (Joe) (02/05/86)
> BTW, did the Russians run out of craters on Venus or what? Surely they > could find 5 more to name after the men abord the shuttle. I like the > idea of naming 7 of the newly discovered moons of Uranus after the > astronauts. It is the policy of Soviet map-makers to exclusively label features on Venus with feminine names.
barb@oliven.UUCP (Barbara Jernigan) (02/05/86)
> I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden > with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other > names. Or, if the remebrance is prefered, name the new shuttle _Challenger_. > C. Wingate Actually, I like *Phoenix* -- which someone already mentioned. All shuttles rise 'from flames' -- and certainly, given the Challenger disaster -- which I pray will be a 'kick-in-the-pants' to move on -- if the next shuttle is a newer generation. Barb
farren@well.UUCP (Mike Farren) (02/06/86)
In article <2911@ut-ngp.UUCP>, dlnash@ut-ngp.UUCP (Donald L. Nash) writes: > _Endeavour_ would be a good name, but not _Challenger_. Call me > sentimental, but when a ship is destroyed, its name should not used > again. To me, that would almost be like saying "Well, it blew up. Oh, > well, we'll just make a new one and everything will be OK." As for > naming it _Christa_ or _McAlliffe_ (sp?), I don't think that should be > done, since there were 6 other people who died, too. I know, she was a > civilian, not a military person trained to deal with the possibility of > getting killed. First, there is PLENTY of precedent for naming vessels after older destroyed vessels - otherwise, we'd never have an Enterprise. Second, why do you believe Christa McAuliffe wasn't "trained to deal with the possibility of getting killed"? It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to deduce the (tragically, now realized) explosive potential of gigantic amounts of LOX and LOH, and I'm sure that the training she underwent did not make light of the dangers. No, she wasn't military, but neither was Gregory Jarvis, and besides, most of the military isn't trained to deal with getting killed, either, they're just expected to DO it, if necessary. -- Mike Farren uucp: {your favorite backbone site}!hplabs!well!farren Fido: Sci-Fido, Fidonode 125/84, (415)655-0667
friesen@psivax.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) (02/06/86)
In article <3035@umcp-cs.UUCP> mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) writes: > >I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden >with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other >names. > I LIKE it! _Endeavour_ is a very appropriate name! -- Sarima (Stanley Friesen) UUCP: {ttidca|ihnp4|sdcrdcf|quad1|nrcvax|bellcore|logico}!psivax!friesen ARPA: ttidca!psivax!friesen@rand-unix.arpa
john@moncol.UUCP (John Ruschmeyer) (02/06/86)
In article <2911@ut-ngp.UUCP> dlnash@ut-ngp.UUCP writes: >BTW, did the Russians run out of craters on Venus or what? Surely they >could find 5 more to name after the men abord the shuttle. I like the >idea of naming 7 of the newly discovered moons of Uranus after the >astronauts. I suspect that the the trick is that we are talking about the planet VENUS (you know, as in the goddess of love, etc.). Having a feature of a planet normally associated with females named after a male seems somehow inappropriate. Okay, so call me a purist... -- Name: John Ruschmeyer US Mail: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ 07764 Phone: (201) 571-3451 UUCP: ...!vax135!petsd!moncol!john ...!princeton!moncol!john ...!pesnta!moncol!john Give an ape control of its environment and it will fill the world with bananas.
bl@hplabsb.UUCP (Bruce T. Lowerre) (02/07/86)
> In message <3035@umcp-cs.UUCP>, mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) writes: > > > I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden > > with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other > > names. Or, if the remebrance is prefered, name the new shuttle _Challenger_. > > > > C. Wingate > > _Endeavour_ would be a good name, but not _Challenger_. Call me > sentimental, but when a ship is destroyed, its name should not used > again. To me, that would almost be like saying "Well, it blew up. Oh, > well, we'll just make a new one and everything will be OK." How about "Challenger 7"? The original mercury capsules were all named "<something> 7", e.g., "Friendship 7", "Liberty Bell 7", "Freedom 7", etc. The 7 in that case referred to the original 7 astronauts. The 7 now will also pay tribute to the seven who were lost. BTW, do we really want to replace the shuttle? Would it be wiser to place the money toward the development of the next generation space vehicle? As was posted by someone else earlier, the shuttle is a hightmarish engineering kludge. NASA has already mentioned something called the "space plane". This is a vehicle that takes off and lands as a conventional airplane with jet engines but reaches a speed of mach 6 (presumably at a very high altitude) before blasting into orbit with rocket motors. It is 100% resuable, except for the fuel of course :-).
brahms@spp3.UUCP (Bradley S. Brahms) (02/07/86)
In article <2911@ut-ngp.UUCP> dlnash@ut-ngp.UUCP (Donald L. Nash) writes: >BTW, did the Russians run out of craters on Venus or what? Surely they >could find 5 more to name after the men abord the shuttle. I like the >idea of naming 7 of the newly discovered moons of Uranus after the >astronauts. The two people that the Russians named craters for were non-military people. -- Brad Brahms usenet: {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!trwspp!brahms arpa: Brahms@usc-eclc
jer@peora.UUCP (J. Eric Roskos) (02/07/86)
> ... it would be a bit unfair to single out [Ms. McCauliffe] so > dramatically ... One of the things that initially made the shuttle incident seem particularly tragic to me was the idea that Ms. McCauliffe was just an ordinary citizen, a teacher who had in essence won a sort of "contest" to be on the shuttle, but then it had turned out so tragically. Subsequently, though, I read her essay which won her the position on the shuttle. In it, she explained that all her life she had been interested in the space program, and had wanted to be an astronaut, but had been discouraged from it by the societal pressures upon women which discouraged women from becoming astronauts. She concluded by saying that, while she couldn't "start her life over" and become an astronaut now that things had changed, this gave her an opportunity to participate in the program. I have since come to think of her more as someone who was apparently well familiar with the nature of the space program, including apparently the risks, and someone who, had things been different, might have been one of the regular crew herself. This does not in any way reduce the tragedy of the disaster, but (sort of like the parable of the workers who were hired in the evening but paid the same as those who worked all day, I guess) makes me think of her more as "one of the crew". Thus I think any monument to the 7 astronauts should honor them equally. -- UUCP: Ofc: jer@peora.UUCP Home: jer@jerpc.CCUR.UUCP CCUR DNS: peora, pesnta US Mail: MS 795; CONCURRENT Computer Corp. SDC; (A Perkin-Elmer Company) 2486 Sand Lake Road, Orlando, FL 32809-7642 xxxxx4xxx "There are other places that are also the world's end ... But this is the nearest ... here and in England." -TSE
greg@nmtvax.UUCP (Greg Titus) (02/07/86)
> I suggest a new shuttle should be named _Endeavour_. It is a name Laden > with a history of scientific exploration, and it fits well with the other > names. Or, if the remebrance is prefered, name the new shuttle _Challenger_. > > C. Wingate _Phoenix_, I think, would be appropriate. greg -- Greg Titus ..!ucbvax!unmvax!nmtvax!greg (uucp) NM Tech Computer Center ..!cmcl2!lanl!nmtvax!greg (uucp) Box W209 C/S greg@nmt (CSnet) Socorro, NM 87801 greg.nmt@csnet-relay (arpa) (505) 835-5735 ======================================================================
andre@nrcvax.UUCP (Andre Hut) (02/14/86)
I would like to suggest 'Phoenix', in reference to the legend of the
Phoenix, a bird risen from the ashes.
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------miller@loral.UUCP (David P. Miller) (02/21/86)
I would like to propose "EAGLE", in honor of the high flying endagered species of birds that sometimes symbolizes the high spirits, and hopes of the american people, and of those people throughout the world who dare to take the risks and push humanity one step foward. BIG DAVE. -- David P. Miller - Loral Instrumentation. / USUAL \ sdcsvax!sdcc3!loral!miller \ DISCLAIMER / ******************************************************************************** "Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but words ......................."