ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) (10/21/90)
AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little "110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... Do any of our European friends out there know if the Classics sold there come with universal power supplies, or do they have little "220V" stickers on the back? (I had heard a rumor of 110-240 on european ones). -- Ken Stamm (ken@slhisc.uucp, sun.com!gotham!slhisc!ken) (212)341-3868 Shearson Lehman Brothers, 390 Greenwich St. 4W, New York NY 10013 Views expressed here are opaque to the above corporation.
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (10/22/90)
In article <1990Oct21.133912.14179@slhisc.uucp>, ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) writes: |> |> AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! |> Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a |> universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little |> "110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done |> to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... |> |> Do any of our European friends out there know if the Classics sold there |> come with universal power supplies, or do they have little "220V" stickers |> on the back? (I had heard a rumor of 110-240 on european ones). |> The original press release said the Classic and LC had the universal power supplies, but the spec sheets at the Stanford Bookstore say otherwise. A real blow to frequent travellers and international shoppers (maybe this way Apple gets to mainain their huge price differential between Europe and the US?). Does anyone know if there is an internal adjustment for voltage, or does the power supply have to be swapped? -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) (10/22/90)
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) writes: >The original press release said the Classic and LC had the universal power >supplies, but the spec sheets at the Stanford Bookstore say otherwise. The spec sheet is incorrect for the LC. The Macintosh Classic as sold in the USA has a 110V power supply. The LC has a self-configuring power supply, roughly 100 V to 240 V. The IIsi also has a self-configuring power supply. You can see the error in the LC spec sheet if you look inside; the picture of the back of the LC clearly shows a label on the machine indicating 100-240 V as input. --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's"
werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) (10/22/90)
| You can see the error in the LC spec sheet if you look inside; | the picture of the back of the LC clearly shows a label on the machine | indicating 100-240 V as input. who guarantees that this is not a picture of a European model?
hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) (10/22/90)
In article <1990Oct21.133816.14088@slhisc.uucp> ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) writes: >AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! >Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a >universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little >"110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done >to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... ... According to a tech I spoke to at Computer Era in NYC the other day, the Classic power supply is Jumper configurable for different voltages. Ie. a tech has to open up the power supply and change a jumper to allow it to operate on the other voltage. I have no idea if this is the truth, but at least it would be better than having to swap the power supply. Note that the supply is rated for a range of frequencies from 47-63Hz (or there abouts). Josh Hodas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Hodas Home Phone: (215) 222-7112 4223 Pine Street School Office Phone: (215) 898-9514 Philadelphia, PA 19104 New E-Mail Address: hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu
blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) (10/22/90)
werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes: [Still talking about LC power supply.] > who guarantees that this is not a picture of a European model? I guarantee it. I've seen messages on the Field Engineering Support board of Applelink stating exactly what I said earlier: The Macintosh Classic has a 110V power supply. The Macintosh LC and Macintosh IIsi have self-configuring power supplies, accepting at least 100V-220V at some various Hz. If you'd like, I'll grab the original announcement, but I've gone over and taken an LC's cover off, and it really *does* have a self-configuring power supply. This is in Cupertino, not Europe. The data sheet is wrong. --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's"
starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) (10/22/90)
werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes: > > | You can see the error in the LC spec sheet if you look inside; > | the picture of the back of the LC clearly shows a label on the machine > | indicating 100-240 V as input. > > who guarantees that this is not a picture of a European model? This thread deserves a place in history! It begins with conflicting documentation (a press release and a LC spec sheet) as to which power supply is in the LC, so several people ask for someone from Apple to clarify which document is correct. And then, when someone from Apple does try and clarify the situation, they are immediately thought of as trying to deceive you. I guess the next question is, did you really write the message above or did aliens? :) John
philip@pescadero.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (10/23/90)
In article <31501@netnews.upenn.edu>, hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes: |> In article <1990Oct21.133816.14088@slhisc.uucp> ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) writes: |> >AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! |> >Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a |> >universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little |> >"110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done |> >to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... |> ... |> According to a tech I spoke to at Computer Era in NYC the other day, |> the Classic power supply is Jumper configurable for different |> voltages. Ie. a tech has to open up the power supply and change |> a jumper to allow it to operate on the other voltage. |> |> I have no idea if this is the truth, but at least it would be better than |> having to swap the power supply. Note that the supply is rated for a range |> of frequencies from 47-63Hz (or there abouts). Well, better than nothing, I suppose. Does anyoen out there actually _know_? -- Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
robt@mummy.agsm.unsw.oz.au (Rob Trevor) (10/23/90)
In article <1990Oct21.133816.14088@slhisc.uucp> ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) writes: > AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! > Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a > universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little > "110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done > to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... > > Do any of our European friends out there know if the Classics sold there > come with universal power supplies, or do they have little "220V" stickers > on the back? (I had heard a rumor of 110-240 on european ones). > Take a look inside...my understanding (from Apple Aus) is that a 'bit of magic' applied to the power supply will change it from 240v to 110v (and back) -- at least on the ones produced for the Australian market. So its not 'auto-switching', but it is 'switchable', at least by a technician! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Trevor robt@mummy.agsm.unsw.oz.au Associate Professor robt@agsm.unsw.oz.au Australian Graduate School of Management University of New South Wales PO Box 1 VOICE: +61 (2) 662-0274 Kensington, NSW FAX: +61 (2) 662-2451 AUSTRALIA 2033 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) (10/23/90)
In article <31501@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes: >In article <1990Oct21.133816.14088@slhisc.uucp> ken@slhisc.uucp (Ken Stamm) writes: >>AARRRRRGGGGHHHHH! >>Just saw a Mac Classic... Apple does it again by NOT giving it a >>universal (110V - 240V) power supply. The one I saw had a cute little >>"110V" sticker on the back. Apple person when asked claimed this was done >>to keep the cost low. Thanks guys... >... > >According to a tech I spoke to at Computer Era in NYC the other day, >the Classic power supply is Jumper configurable for different >voltages. Ie. a tech has to open up the power supply and change >a jumper to allow it to operate on the other voltage. YEAHHHHH! Would the first person to crack open his new Classic please confirm this? This is wonderful! -- Ken Stamm (ken@slhisc.uucp, sun.com!gotham!slhisc!ken) (212)341-3868 Shearson Lehman Brothers, 390 Greenwich St. 4W, New York NY 10013 Views expressed here are opaque to the above corporation.
wnn@ornl.gov (Wolfgang N. Naegeli) (10/23/90)
In article <45885@apple.Apple.COM> blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes: > If you'd like, I'll grab the original announcement, but I've gone over > and taken an LC's cover off, and it really *does* have a > self-configuring power supply. This is in Cupertino, not Europe. The > data sheet is wrong. I opened two LCs during the roll-out in Knoxville. They both had self-configuring power supplies. However, the two motherboards showed quite a bit of differences. An Apple System Engineer told me that these were still preproduction models. Is it possible that the spec sheet is correct and that they will start using single-voltage power supplies to save a few bucks when they go into mass production? Wolfgang N. Naegeli President, MacClique--East Tennessee Macintosh Users Group Internet: wnn@ornl.gov Bitnet: wnn@ornlstc Phone: 615-574-6143 Fax: 615-574-6141 QuickMail (QM-QM): Wolfgang Naegeli @ 615-574-4510 Snail: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6206
werner@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) (10/25/90)
> on the back? (I had heard a rumor of 110-240 on european ones).
Take a look inside...my understanding (from Apple Aus) is that a 'bit of
magic' applied to the power supply will change it from 240v to 110v (and
back) -- at least on the ones produced for the Australian market. So its
not 'auto-switching', but it is 'switchable', at least by a technician!
same as she always was ... at least those sold outside the US;
the "international" model of 128, 512, Plus has an analog board
where a jumper and fuse change "does the trick".
maybe Apple is doing the same ?!? again ?!!! :-(hzink@alchemy.UUCP (Harry K. Zink) (10/27/90)
The sad part about this whole affair of 'dumb' power supplies on the Mac Classic is that (usually) *ALL* power supplies are built to handle all voltages, and the proper voltage is merely set by a jumper. That is the way it was with the old Apple IIe power supplies; ditto with the Laserwriter and Mac Plus supplies. To 'convert' them over usually only required either reseating a jumper cable, or cutting a trace. I do not see how it represents the saving of money to apple by NOT providing an international power supply. THis way it only means that they have to separately produce different versions for different markets, instead of producing one model that can be used worldwide. I don't know, but nowadays it seems Apple is quick to point out that every shortcoming or problem with their new computers is 'because of cost reductions'. Isn't it great to always have an excuse..? The memo to all the apple people sent out to demonstrate the new machines probably had a special line, kinda like this "...In the event that you should be confronted with an unusual technical question, simply refer to apple's cost cutting strategies and that the critiqued outcome was intentional..." uucp : ucrmath!alchemy!hzink | Achieve True Wealth and Financial Independence! INET : hzink@alchemy.uucp | Intrigued? - Send E-Mail! -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------ Wesley: "Captain, this doesn't look like the holodeck to me." Worf: "Ready to cycle airlock, Captain." Picard: "Make it so."
ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) (11/03/90)
< Um, before we go jumping the gun here, my guess is that Werner posted < his message before someone from Apple clarified the problem. Just Um, Werner's post included a quote from the post from the person from Apple, so it seems a safe bet that he was aware of that posting. Tim Smith