miller@uiucdcsb.CS.UIUC.EDU (02/28/86)
> sorry, but they seem to love to stoop to red-baiting to defend their point of > view ... only the self-made idealogues and defenders of the one true faith > posted to the net with their slander. I posted the original note. It was very short, consisting of three eulogies international figures/groups had made on the Challenger 7. I also inserted a one line editorial comment, calling these groups "slime". I will call anyone slime who refers to the dead astronauts as "war criminals" and expresses "happiness" over their deaths and the destruction of the orbiter (as did the communist guerrillas in El Salvador). I stand behind my position, despite your simplistic charges. A. Ray Miller Univ Illinois
ins_argr@jhunix.UUCP (Robert G Roberds) (03/04/86)
> > > sorry, but they seem to love to stoop to red-baiting to defend their point of > > view ... only the self-made idealogues and defenders of the one true faith > > posted to the net with their slander. > > I posted the original note. It was very short, consisting of three eulogies > international figures/groups had made on the Challenger 7. I also inserted a > one line editorial comment, calling these groups "slime". I will call anyone > slime who refers to the dead astronauts as "war criminals" and expresses > "happiness" over their deaths and the destruction of the orbiter (as did the > communist guerrillas in El Salvador). I stand behind my position, despite your > simplistic charges. > > A. Ray Miller > Univ Illinois I agree. While I am neither a right- nor a left-winger, I find that *both* sides employ a double standard. For my money, calling a cosmonaut or an astronaut a war criminal is reprehensible. Period. Politics are not the point. Expressing happiness over a death is contemptible, as it is to defend those who do so. I wish to God (if He exists, so flame off) that lefties and righties would try to cure their rampant myopia and try to look at things objectively. I defy anyone out there to defend the SLIME who expressed joy over the Challenger explosionxplosion xO tendency to polarize issues. And you? -- Bob Roberds | Sitting here in Queens, ins_argr@jhunix | Eating refried beans, The Johns Hopkins University | We're in all the magazines Baltimore, Md. | Gulping down Thorazines.
bzs@bu-cs.UUCP (Barry Shein) (03/04/86)
>I defy anyone out there to defend the >SLIME who expressed joy over the Challenger explosionxplosion xO >tendency to polarize issues. And you? >-- >Bob Roberds | Sitting here in Queens, Being the one quoted and sort of indirectly challenged here: LOOK, no one is defending such statements, that's absurd. I also don't remember anything in the articles expressing 'joy' over their deaths. I remember about a half-dozen quotes from Gus Hall about the green cannisters being some sort of secret experiment (misinformed) and some typical quotes criticizing the fact that american business stand to make a lot of $$ off of this disaster (not entirely untrue, private business exploiting others' misfortunes is a typical criticism by socialists.) Obviously this medium doesn't work very well on such issues, once someone disagrees with someone they seem to feel free to make any wild claim that pleases their rhetorical urges. Remember, it was *I* that was asking for the cessation of the self-serving politicking. Somehow things have evolved to the point that anyone that says anything is liable to be seen as the source of inappropriate flamitude by someone. Sigh. At any rate, if you feel it is reasonable to continue to use Gus Hall and Pravda as frequent sources of authoritative reference on whatever it is you are trying to prove or convince us of in this group...fine, we're all impressed. That's all this was ever about. -Barry Shein, Boston University