[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Non-Apple monitors with IIsi built-in video

mazu@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (Marc Mazuhelli) (12/07/90)

Hi there everyone!

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but I either didn't
pay enough attention to the subject or I missed it.

Is it true that only Apple monitors work with the built-in video of a
IIsi?  I'm thinking about getting a IIsi with a 13" color monitor.  I
know the 13" high-resolution RGB monitor (the old one, *not* the new
12" - not enough resolution) is the best buy if you don't consider the
cost, but unfortunately we're in the real world and my bank account
has convinced me that I have to consider the price ...

A friend of mine has a Seiko 13" color monitor on his SE/30.  It's
driven by a Micron card that supports the Apple monitor, so it
"emulates" the Apple monitor enough to be driven by SE/30 (and also
Nubus) cards that drive the Apple monitor.  Even so, I think I read
somewhere that some signals would be missing (the signals that respond
when the monitor is asked to identify itself so the built-in video 
can ajust to the type of terminal connected).  Is this true or is 
there a way to make the Seiko monitor work with the IIsi?

I also remember reading on the net about problems to make a non-Apple
full page display work on a IIsi, even though it worked perfectly on a 
IIci which (supposedly) has the same built-in video circuitery as the 
IIsi.  

Can anyone shed some light on this confusing issue?

Thank you very much for your help!
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russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (12/08/90)

In article <1990Dec7.140506.11424@DMI.USherb.CA> mazu@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (Marc Mazuhelli) writes:
>Hi there everyone!
>
>Is it true that only Apple monitors work with the built-in video of a
>IIsi?  I'm thinking about getting a IIsi with a 13" color monitor.  I
>know the 13" high-resolution RGB monitor (the old one, *not* the new
>12" - not enough resolution) is the best buy if you don't consider the
>cost, but unfortunately we're in the real world and my bank account
>has convinced me that I have to consider the price ...
>
>A friend of mine has a Seiko 13" color monitor on his SE/30.  It's
>driven by a Micron card that supports the Apple monitor, so it
>"emulates" the Apple monitor enough to be driven by SE/30 (and also
>Nubus) cards that drive the Apple monitor.  Even so, I think I read
>somewhere that some signals would be missing (the signals that respond
>when the monitor is asked to identify itself so the built-in video 
>can ajust to the type of terminal connected).  Is this true or is 
>there a way to make the Seiko monitor work with the IIsi?

The mode sense lines on the 8*24 and 4*8 (and later Apple High-Res video
cards) are exactly the same as those for the built-in video in the IIsi.
Thus, any monitor and cable which works with the Apple Video Cards will work
with the IIsi.
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boris@world.std.com (Boris Levitin) (12/09/90)

mazu@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (Marc Mazuhelli) writes:

>Is it true that only Apple monitors work with the built-in video of a
>IIsi?  I'm thinking about getting a IIsi with a 13" color monitor.  I
>know the 13" high-resolution RGB monitor (the old one, *not* the new
>12" - not enough resolution) is the best buy if you don't consider the
>cost, but unfortunately we're in the real world and my bank account
>has convinced me that I have to consider the price ...

Apple is offering a US$250 rebate on 13" color monitors purchased with
a Macintosh (at least in the US; I don't know whether the offer applies
to Canada, but for you at least it's a rather short drive).  This has
brought down the cost of the monitor dow to roughly $450 and at places less.
I believe the rebate expires Jan. 7.

Boris Levitin
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