hansm@dutecah.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) (12/11/90)
I just bought two M68851 from MacProducts USA for use in Mac IIs. Examining the two chips I noticed that they were both blackened on that part of the number which indicates the clock frequency. Examining these blacked-out spots better reveiled that the chips I bought were actually 12 Mhz parts instead of 16 Mhz parts. I am about to return them. Is this usual practice? did this happen to you? did you return them? are they jerks? Hans Mulder hansm@dutecah.et.tudelft.nl
MTHOLDWI@MTUS5.BITNET (Holdwick, Marc T.) (12/12/90)
That is a common tactic in the MS-DOS clone market. A computer chip such as a microprocessor, coprocessor or MMU is stamped with a number indicating its rated speed. This is the speed that the manufacturer GUARANTEES that it will run at. Many chips however can be "pushed". This means that it can be run a LITTLE faster, but it runs HOTTER than normal and may CRASH occasionally, or all the time depending on how much it is being pushed. I would be VERY wary of any company that would sell you a chip like that! I was considering ordering a few things from them, but then again, maybe I won't!
jeffe@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Jefferson ) (12/12/90)
>..... MacProducts USA..... >are they jerks? yes. -- -george @sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu
hamilton@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Jon Hamilton) (12/14/90)
jeffe@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Jefferson ) writes: >>..... MacProducts USA..... >>are they jerks? >yes. this may be more annoying than anything else, but I just _had_ to jump in here and agree. I would no more do business with them again than I would pick my nose with a hot fireplace poker. -jon -hamilton@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu >-- >-george @sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu
darweesh@zephyrus.crd.ge.com (Michael Darweesh) (12/14/90)
>>>..... MacProducts USA..... >>>are they jerks? >>yes. > >this may be more annoying than anything else, but I just _had_ to jump in here >and agree. I would no more do business with them again than I would pick my >nose with a hot fireplace poker. >-jon Well, picking your nose with a hot fireplace poker IS fun, but I'm gonna have to add to MacProducts USA's bad press. I've had some VERY bad experiences with them. Yea, they're well priced if you buy a "Magic" product, but my Magic Modem didn't work and they haven't refunded my credit card yet (6 monthes). -Mike Darweesh weesh@crd.ge.com
jack@Taffy.rice.edu (Jack W. Howarth) (12/16/90)
In article <14829@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> darweesh@zephyrus.crd.ge.com (Michael Darweesh) writes: > >Well, picking your nose with a hot fireplace poker IS fun, but I'm gonna have >to add to MacProducts USA's bad press. >I've had some VERY bad experiences with them. Yea, they're well priced if >you buy a "Magic" product, but my Magic Modem didn't work and they haven't >refunded my credit card yet (6 monthes). > >-Mike Darweesh >weesh@crd.ge.com Mike, Which Magic modem did you buy? I got the 2400 v42-bis MNP5 modem and its great (Rockwell modem chip set too). Considering that an equivalent Hayes V-series modem is $439, the Magic modem at $199 was a steal. Cheers Jack Howarth p.s. If you got a vanilla 2400...well I don't believe they work well without some sort of error checking or a very very good chip set.
Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (12/17/90)
darweesh@zephyrus.crd.ge.com (Michael Darweesh) writes: >I've had some VERY bad experiences with them. Yea, they're well priced if >you buy a "Magic" product, but my Magic Modem didn't work and they haven't >refunded my credit card yet (6 monthes). I hate to run against the popular trend, but I'm *very* happy with my US$85 2400 bps "Magic Modem". Ok the thing isn't exactly solidly built, but then I'm not planning on jumping on it. It seems to be more resistant to line noise than many other modems, and it has virtually every feature I want, other than MNP. In particular, I was delighted to find that it detects (quickly and reliably) "No Dialtone" and "Busy" conditions -- something that a well-known Australian brand 2400 bps modem selling for NZ$1600 (US$1000) doesn't do.... (no names, but can you say "1234"?) For 85 bux you can't go wrong, IMHO... -- Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz Twisted pair: +64 4 772 116 BIX: brucehoult Last Resort: PO Box 4145 Wellington, NZ