[comp.sys.mac.hardware] reset button for si?

bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) (01/21/91)

Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?

Thanks.
-Bruce

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john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III) (01/22/91)

In article <17103@cgl.ucsf.EDU> bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:
> Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?

On the keyboard.  Press contol-command-power.  If you have a debugger
installed, there is also a soft reset (command-power??).

-john-

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CXT105@psuvm.psu.edu (Christopher Tate) (01/22/91)

In article <1991Jan21.155428.25403@midway.uchicago.edu>, dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu
(David Walton) says:

>In article <17103@cgl.ucsf.EDU> bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:
>>Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?
>
>There isn't one.  To reset the machine, press Control-Command-Power
>for at least one second.  To get into the debugger, press
>Command-Power for one second (you'll need MacsBug version 6.2b1 or later
>for the debugger switch to work).

The other day I heard someone refer to the reset sequence above as
"Control-flower-power", and the debugger sequence as simply "flower-power."

:) :) :) :) :)

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bic@pom.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) (01/23/91)

kscott@cgl.ucsf.edu (Kevin Scott) writes:

>bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:

>>Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?

>They have put it into the keyboard, calling the big power-on button with a
>triangle the "switch" and the command key clover, you use clover-switch for
>reset and clover-control-switch for reset.  The catch is these don't work 
>properly, can some kind soul tell me if they have fixed this with later
>versions?  I had heard there are still bugs in the si rom, how many versions
>are there as of now?

>email preferred, if snough people ask me for the responses I'll post it.

As a former MS-DOS machine programmer, I question the judgment of not
having a hot button on the CPU box.  Under MS-DOS, I had no problem hosing
the keyboard connection while hanging the machine.  This was a real
problem on the early IBM PCs.
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denbeste@bgsuvax.UUCP (William C. DenBesten) (01/23/91)

From article <1991Jan21.155428.25403@midway.uchicago.edu>, by dwal@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Walton):
> In article <17103@cgl.ucsf.EDU> bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:
>>Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?
> 
> There isn't one.  To reset the machine, press Control-Command-Power
> for at least one second.  To get into the debugger, press
> Command-Power for one second (you'll need MacsBug version 6.2b1 or later
> for the debugger switch to work).

Being an old apple //e owner, I find it easiest to remember the keystroke
as control-open apple reset.

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ifar355@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David H. Huang) (01/23/91)

In article <bic.664574995@pom.mmwb.ucsf.edu> bic@pom.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:
|kscott@cgl.ucsf.edu (Kevin Scott) writes:
|
|>bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen) writes:
|
|>>Where is the reset button on the box of the new Mac II si?
|
|>They have put it into the keyboard, calling the big power-on button with a
|>triangle the "switch" and the command key clover, you use clover-switch for
|>reset and clover-control-switch for reset.  The catch is these don't work 
|>properly, can some kind soul tell me if they have fixed this with later
|>versions?  I had heard there are still bugs in the si rom, how many versions
|>are there as of now?
|
|>email preferred, if snough people ask me for the responses I'll post it.
|
|As a former MS-DOS machine programmer, I question the judgment of not
|having a hot button on the CPU box.  Under MS-DOS, I had no problem hosing
|the keyboard connection while hanging the machine.  This was a real
|problem on the early IBM PCs.

On my Apple IIGS, the Control-Open Apple-Reset (exactly the same thing as
Contol-Command-Power, the GS was the first to use the ADB) will make the ADB
microcontroller pull the /RESET line low. Since this is entirely in hardware,
there is no way a program can affect the ability to reboot. I'm sure this
would more or less apply to the si also.

Also, the reset always works, but the interrupt doesn't always work right.
However, if you have MacsBug 6.2(?) or later, the interrupt works fine.

Side note: sometimes a reset switch on the cpu box doesn't work all the
time... Pitfall on the Commodore 128 would not allow you to reset... it
would start itself back up. I thought it was a neat, although very annoying
trick :-)

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pepke@gw.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) (01/24/91)

What about the THINK C debugger?  Is there a patch which will allow it to 
interrupt on this sequence as well?

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shwake@raysnec.UUCP (Ray Shwake) (01/26/91)

sam@wolfen.cc.uow.oz (Sam Tan) writes:

>The interrupt key is replaced by the key-combination Command-Power
>and the reset key is now Ctrl-Cmd-Power.
>The power key is the key that turns on the IIsi, marked by a triangle lying down

	If this is what Apple calls "intuitive" I'd hate to see what they'd
come up with for the power users!