[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Deskjet + MacPrint + cable = DeskWriter?

asteinbe@pyrsoft5.pyramid.com (Alan Steinberg) (02/12/91)

According to one dealer, this equation is true:

 HP Deskjet 500 + MacPrint + cable = DeskWriter

Does anyone know if this is true?  The price difference between the
DeskJet and Deskwriter is about $150.  Is it work the extra money to
be completely Mac compatible, or can money be saved by purchasing the
DeskJet and making it Mac compatible?

Any other advantages or disadvantages between the two printers?

I have a Mac LC, if it makes a difference.

-- Alan

crocker@motcid.UUCP (Ronald T. Crocker) (02/13/91)

(With a little algebra)
	MacPrint + special cable ?= $150 + ImageWriter cable

I had the same choice to make, and decided that it was well worth the
$150 to get the drivers from HP.  For you, it may not be that easy;
the money may outweigh the convienence of knowing that it will work.
I'm an admitted Mac novice, and since I didn't relish the idea of
figuring out how the damn thing really works, I went with the one that
I knew would work.

I'm quite happy with my decision.  I took the application that I will
be using the most (FrameMaker) with me to the dealer, installed it on
their Mac (with the time-out license I got from Frame so they didn't
get it for free :->), and tried out both a LaserWriter IIntx and the
DeskWriter.  Ok, the LW was lots better, but then I could get 3 of the
DeskWriters for the same price.  The output for (horizontal) text was
similar(graphics and rotated text were not close), but then I have
access to a LW at work for final output.



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Ron Crocker
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(708) 632-4752 [FAX: (708) 632-4430]
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neff@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Dave Neff) (02/14/91)

>According to one dealer, this equation is true:
>
> HP Deskjet 500 + MacPrint + cable = DeskWriter
>

This is not correct.  The DeskJet 500 has a 19.2 K baud serial port
and a parallel port.  The DeskWriter has a 57K baud serial port that
also works as a 230K baud LocalTalk port.  I don't know what cable
is being suggested, but the only way you can even begin to get a
DeskJet 500 to perform like a DeskWriter on a Mac is to user a 57K
baud serial to parallel conversion cable.  If your DeskJet 500 driver only
runs at 19.2 K baud the performance will be poor.  You will have no
AppleTalk capability on the DeskJet 500 of course.  Also with the
DeskJet 500 there is no status information that is sent back
to the host (since DOS machines can't get such status anyway) so
the driver solution wont be as user friendly (i.e. the DeskWriter
driver knows if the printer is out of paper, and so forth).

You also don't get single vendor support for both the driver and the
printer.  You also probably need to buy ATM to get scaleable outline
fonts (add another $100 to the price).  Now some people buy the
DeskWriter and still buy ATM to get access to more fonts, but the
DeskWriter comes with four outline font families standard so ATM
isn't essential.  But if you add ATM to the price, you really save
little.

The only situation where I might consider a DeskJet 500 instead
of the DeskWriter for use with the Mac is if you also have an MS-DOS
PC.  In that case, you can share the same printer with both systems.

Yes, the DeskJet 500 (unlike the DeskJet and DeskJet+) has all of the
graphics print enhancements of the DeskWriter, but the DeskWriter has
IO ports and a driver designed for the Macintosh.  I really think most
Mac users will be much happier with the DeskWriter than going through
all the hoops to get a DeskJet 500 to work.

Also, I am not biased (really) -- I worked on the firmware for both the
DeskJet 500 and the LocalTalk firmware for the DeskWriter.  They are
both good printers, but the DeskJet 500 is designed for MS-DOS systems
and the DeskWriter for MAC systems.  This is not just a silly marketting
distinction.  Each printer is engineered for its intended environment.
And besides, whether you buy a DeskJet 500 or a DeskWriter either case
helps my profit sharing check :-).

Dave Neff
neff@hpvcfs1.HP.COM