[comp.sys.mac.hardware] BROKEN-MAC STARTUP-DIRGE..WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

clark@randvax.UUCP (John Clark) (03/30/91)

On startup, my Mac plays an ominous, rising-chord tune for a couple of
seconds, then promptly goes inert.  The screen, which shows the usual
blank grey pattern for the first few seconds after powerup, goes black,
and the system won't recognize the mouse, keyboard, floppy drive, or hard
disk.  The hard disk access light blinks for an instant just at the onset
of the failure.

The interrupt key instantly replays the same notes, as often as the key is
pressed; the reset key restarts the machine, to repeat the same dismal
sequence.  Floppies have to be retrieved with the paper clip (the
button-down trick at startup doesn't work; the system never sees the
drive).

Any ideas what this means?  A hardware failure?  A RAM chip fault,
perhaps?

[Hardware is a vanilla IIcx, 8M, Apple internal 80M HD, Apple HiRes 13"
color.]

Thanks!

John Clark
clark@rand.org

chai@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Ian Chai) (03/31/91)

In article <2934@randvax.UUCP> clark@randvax.UUCP (John Clark) writes:
>On startup, my Mac plays an ominous, rising-chord tune for a couple of
>seconds, then promptly goes inert.  The screen, which shows the usual
>blank grey pattern for the first few seconds after powerup, goes black,
>and the system won't recognize the mouse, keyboard, floppy drive, or hard
>disk.  The hard disk access light blinks for an instant just at the onset
>of the failure.
>
>The interrupt key instantly replays the same notes, as often as the key is
>pressed; the reset key restarts the machine, to repeat the same dismal
>sequence.  Floppies have to be retrieved with the paper clip (the
>button-down trick at startup doesn't work; the system never sees the
>drive).
>
>Any ideas what this means?  A hardware failure?  A RAM chip fault,
>perhaps?
>
>[Hardware is a vanilla IIcx, 8M, Apple internal 80M HD, Apple HiRes 13"
>color.]
>
>Thanks!
>
>John Clark
>clark@rand.org

I have experienced this problem several times in the last few months,
and it *always* occurred after I've mucked around with the SCSI devices
I've attached to the IIx and so I've concluded that it's a "Your SCSI
setup is messed up" announcement. And it goes away after I've fixed the
SCSI up right.

But you say your only SCSI device is just the internal 80meg? Or are
there any other things you left out?

If it's just the internal, is there a possibility the internal SCSI
terminator's kablooey? (I don't know -- I'm not a hardware guy.)


-- 
Ian Chai        Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu
                Bitnet:   2fntnougat@ukanvax

tmattox@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy I Mattox) (04/01/91)

In article <1991Mar30.221152.8323@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> chai@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Ian Chai) writes:
>In article <2934@randvax.UUCP> clark@randvax.UUCP (John Clark) writes:
>>On startup, my Mac plays an ominous, rising-chord tune for a couple of
>>seconds, then promptly goes inert.
[...some symptoms deleted...]
>>Any ideas what this means?  A hardware failure?  A RAM chip fault,
>>perhaps?
>>
>>John Clark
>>clark@rand.org
>
>I have experienced this problem several times in the last few months,
>and it *always* occurred after I've mucked around with the SCSI devices
>I've attached to the IIx and so I've concluded that it's a "Your SCSI
>setup is messed up" announcement. And it goes away after I've fixed the
>SCSI up right.
>-- 
>Ian Chai        Internet: chai@cs.ukans.edu
>                Bitnet:   2fntnougat@ukanvax

Well, Ian, you are close.  The startup chime on a Mac II style computer is the
result of a hardware test.  You hear the standard chord when everything checks
out ok.  If the self-diagnostics find something wrong, the mac plays a sequence
of chords to indicate the particular area of trouble.  The original Mac II had
a total of 8 startup chord sequence, one being the "all ok" chord.  I don't
know if newer Macs have additional chord sequences.

I have a little program (6K) that demonstrates the chord sequences.  I found
it on the original Phil and Dave's Excellent CD.  I would offer to e-mail
it to anyone who asks, but it does not supply any detailed information on
what each chord sequence means.  It only says things like, RAM test 1, RAM test
2 and Initial Check.

One might wonder why Apple would have your computer play music when its
broken rather than display an error code.  I speculate that it is because
on a Mac II, you might not have a working video card and monitor connected,
so rather than display a "sad-mac code" the same way as a Mac Plus or SE, it
plays the chord sequence.

--
Live long and prosper.     - Tim Mattox - (email: tmattox@ecn.purdue.edu)
		                         (talk: tmattox@en.ecn.purdue.edu)

mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) (04/01/91)

In article <2934@randvax.UUCP> clark@randvax.UUCP (John Clark) writes:
>On startup, my Mac plays an ominous, rising-chord tune for a couple of
>seconds, then promptly goes inert.  The screen, which shows the usual
>blank grey pattern for the first few seconds after powerup, goes black,
>and the system won't recognize the mouse, keyboard, floppy drive, or hard
>disk.  The hard disk access light blinks for an instant just at the onset
>of the failure.
>
>Any ideas what this means?  A hardware failure?  A RAM chip fault,
>perhaps?

	From the sound of your description, it seems you've got a hardware
fault, as the rising chord you describe is characteristic of the "Test
Monitor" triggering.

	However, if you wish to confirm this yourself, I enclose a short
diagnostic program which you can run (on a functioning mac) to determine
which of the diagnostic tone sequences you heard, and what it means. 

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Charlie Mingo					Internet: mingo@well.sf.ca.us 
2209 Washington Circle #2				  mingo@cup.portal.com
Washington, DC  20037	    CI$: 71340,2152	AT&T:  202/785-2089



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Charlie Mingo					Internet: mingo@well.sf.ca.us 
2209 Washington Circle #2				  mingo@cup.portal.com
Washington, DC  20037	    CI$: 71340,2152	AT&T:  202/785-2089