[comp.sys.mac.hardware] quantum hard drives

souka@uh.msc.umn.edu (Omar Souka) (08/21/90)

I had the PROM on my 80 meg Quantum replaced about two months ago and I
am VERY disappointed with the current performance of my drive.  The
drive decides to exercise the heads every couple of minutes.  During
this "exercise" period, the noise is tremendous and the disk access is
about 10 times slower than normal.  The Apple dealer said that this
would go away in a month.  Now the question -- If I bitch and moan to my
dealer, is there any chance of getting a new drive?  The current status
is not acceptable!  Any other options? (I don't want to buy a new drive)

Omar Souka
souka@msc.edu

jacobson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (08/31/90)

I to have similar behavior problems with my 40 MEG quantum that was one of the
Apple drives and just had to have the eprom replaced due to sticktion after
10 months. Let me explain my symptoms:
 
3 days after I got it back from the shop during one of the seek activation
modes of the eprom (I know it slows down sometimes the access but this
was more) my window would open up and no icons would appear (I was looking
at a window with lots of stuff in it). I thought it had locked after 2 minutes
so I shut the machine off and tryed rebooting. I found the same trouble you
had, the light would come on but I got the question mark. Now I did not
wait after 2 minutes for it to eventually find the drive and boot. I thought
I had a failure and after turning it off for awhile then back on and still
getting no reboot I took it in. It had been a very hot day and I thought
my lack of air conditioning might be to blame. The dealer found after
he got to it the next day that it booted fine. He ran all his diagnostic
tests and found nothing wrong. I got the drive back.
 
Things were fine for a day or so, but once in awhile I noticed a similar
happening, the opening of windows and such would bog down incredibly, adn
nothing would appear. Tonight I had one of these epsisodes after a long
seek period. My windows took eons to open, I thought they crashed again like
a week ago, but I waited longer and sure enough finally they opened and
worked. But all windows took a long time to open---and the heads were not
currently being activated---this happened after the activity stopped. I
rebooted my machine with the shutdown to close everything properly (I have
an SE/30). Instead of taking about 30 seconds to reboot it took nearly
3 minutes-incredibly sloooooooooowwwwww!!!!!!. I opened windows and things
were running like molasses in all file accesses yet the heads were not being
randomly activated all the time through this, and like you say when I
access the drive the random activity stops anywy. Oh I also noted that
for some reason my DA's had mostley disappeared from the menu the 
first time this sloweness started tonight. I rebooted once more and again
3 minutes. I went into my applications and all of a sudden the extreme
slowness went away. Everything was back to the speed I was familiar with,
and yet some eprom activated random seeks still were occuring. Rebooting
got back to normal speed.
 
My point for posting. I thought my troubles had to do with heat. Well
tonight my house is very cool and dry, a nice cold front went through a 
day ago, infact it is cool. Your post reminded me of my symptoms. It
appears to me that after some of the randomly activated seeks--not all
a tremendous slow down in access occurs. Windows with lots of file take
eons making me think I have locked up, but if I wait long enough- sometimes
a minute they open fine. Rebooting gets affected the same way, and if I shut
down improperly because I think I am hung, when in fact the access has just
bogged down, the system gets confused and trying to reboot gets me the 
problems I encountered 3 days after the drive first "got fixed". These last
problems sure sound like the same problems you have with rebooting---when
you have a crashed system I bet it is not crashed--just totally bogged down.
I find that if I wait long enough the locked desktop window will finally
open.
 
Anyway I post this to let you know I have similar symptoms on my fixed
quantum, and to ask for input from others, now that i have isolated the
symptoms down, to not a hot drive, but something that happens after some,
but not all of the seek activation episodes. This thing has happened to
me now three times in the last 2 weeks since I got my eprom fixed to
deal with the stiction problem. Anyone out there care to comment.

boomer@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Rich Akerboom) (08/31/90)

Last february I bought a Quantum 105 for my Mac SE. After all the talk about
the Apple ROM's, I made sure that I had Quantum ROMS, and various people 
assured me that with the Quantum ROM's I should have no problems.

A month ago or so, the drive started exhibiting the noisy, continuous seeking
to loosen up the lubricant behavior that has been discussed on the net. Still
OK, since when I do something that involves a disk access, the random seeking
is interrupted for my disk access.

BUT, if my machine hangs/crashes and I need to reboot, and the drive is doing
its random seeking thing, 9 times out of 10 the Mac can't find the drive to
boot from, and just sits there with the question mark icon, waiting for a disk.
Eventually, either it finds the disk (after several minutes) or the random
seeking stops and it can find the disk.

Anyone else experience this kind of behavior? Any comments?

rich
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ebc@riki.berkeley.edu (04/02/91)

I have a MacIIx shipped with the default Quantum 80 meg hard drive.  I have
heard about problems (chattering) with the 40 meg drives, and am now having
problems with this drive (chattering, occasionally does not write).  Does
anyone have any diagnostic advice?

Elizabeth Charnock