phillips@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Mark D Phillips) (04/25/91)
Ethernet Cards and System 7
I recently found out that I will not be able to install System 7.0b4 on
any of my Ethernet-equipped Macs as the cards' manufacturers do not have
System 7-compatible drivers for their Ethernet boards. Further, it
could be some months before the drivers become available, so even
when the final 7.0 comes out, I cannot use it on some of my computers.
The Macs on our network that have Ethernet boards are the very Macs that
could take advantage of the new 7.0 features, so we are a bit upset
about this.
Is this a general problem with Ethernet-equipped Macs, or did we buy
from the wrong people? Are their any Mac Ethernet cards that currently
have System 7-compatible drivers and installers? We could be buying
some more cards in the near future, so any insight would be helpful.
** Additional Details for Those Who Care **
We use several types of (Thin) Ethernet boards:
Shiva (formerly Kinetics) EtherPort SE's
Shiva (formerly Kinetics) EtherPort SE/30's
EMAC (Everex) SpeedLink SE's
EMAC (Everex) SpeedLink SE/30's
and an EMAC (Everex) SpeedLink II
EMAC Tech Support states that they are not even working on developing
new drivers until System 7 ships. They would not give any estimate on
when they will have new drivers except to say that it would take "less
than a year".
Shiva Tech Support states that they should release the software for the
EtherPort SE/30's and the 'short' Mac II cards (i.e. cards based on a
National chip set) when System 7 ships or shortly thereafter. The
drivers for the SpeedLink SE's (based on an Intel chip set) won't be
released for some months (I got a rough guess of 4 to 6 months but no
promise), as they are just beginning development.
Mark Phillips, User Support Specialist phillips@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
BPRU D-5-West FSKMC Johns Hopkins phillips@jhunix.BITNET
4940 Eastern Avenue, Baltimore MD 21224 AppleLink: PHILLIPS6coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) (04/25/91)
phillips@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Mark D Phillips) writes: >Is this a general problem with Ethernet-equipped Macs, or did we buy >from the wrong people? Are their any Mac Ethernet cards that currently >have System 7-compatible drivers and installers? We could be buying >some more cards in the near future, so any insight would be helpful. We're using Apple EtherTalk NB cards and running without a hitch with 7.0fc3. We do printing, file sharing, and telnet via the ethernet cards; so far, no problems. MacTCP seems to run fine under 7.0. I have no idea about third-party cards; we don't have any to test with. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John L. Coolidge Internet:coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP:uiucdcs!coolidge Of course I don't speak for the U of I (or anyone else except myself) Copyright 1991 John L. Coolidge. Copying allowed if (and only if) attributed. You may redistribute this article if and only if your recipients may as well.
george@swbatl.sbc.com (George Nincehelser 5-6544) (04/25/91)
In article <1991Apr25.003715.26195@m.cs.uiuc.edu> coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu writes: >phillips@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Mark D Phillips) writes: >>Is this a general problem with Ethernet-equipped Macs, or did we buy >>from the wrong people? Are their any Mac Ethernet cards that currently >>have System 7-compatible drivers and installers? We could be buying >>some more cards in the near future, so any insight would be helpful. > >We're using Apple EtherTalk NB cards and running without a hitch with >7.0fc3. We do printing, file sharing, and telnet via the ethernet cards; >so far, no problems. MacTCP seems to run fine under 7.0. I have no idea >about third-party cards; we don't have any to test with. Well, I would sure hope Apple's Ethernet cards would work under 7! ;-) That's one advantage of sticking with Apple products.... Anyway, I've run into the same problem. About all you can do is to try to convince your vendor that you really, really need it and that you have some say in product purchases for a large organization. If they really have a fix, they'll usually give it to you (in beta form, of course). If the vendor does do this for you, you should feel obliged to politely inform them of any bugs. A thank-you note on your company's letter-head is appropriate, too. I've used this technique with much success. One warning, though. You may have to be very persisent. Often you will come up against some reps who just spout the party line: "We can't comment on unreleased products." That's what they've been told to say by their supervisors...don't blame them, just ask to speak with someone who would have such authority. It usually works. -- / George David Nincehelser \ george@swbatl.sbc.com \ / / Southwestern Bell Telephone \ Phone: (314) 235-6544 \ / / / Advanced Technology Laboratory \ Fax: (314) 235-5797 \ / / / /\ 1010 Pine, St. Louis, MO 63101 \ de asini umbra disceptare \
dave@cmi.com (David Halonen) (04/25/91)
Hi Dave,
Here is how you install a GatorCard if you have System 7.0:
%Copy the file called "Drivers" from your GatorCard Installation disk
to your hard disk.
%Make a copy of your System file
%Run ResEdit and open both files
%Copy the .ENET resource in the DRVR group from the Drivers file to
the copy of the System file (DO NOT do this on the original because
you could really screw things up if you make a mistake )
%Move the real System file out of the System Folder
%Rename System copy to System and put it in the System Folder and restart.
Let me know if you have any questions.
___________________________________________________________________
Michael Haag, Quality Evangelist, Technical Customer Services
phone: (617)494-1999 x164
Cayman Systems, Inc. fax: (617)494-5167
26 Landsdowne Street Internet: michael@cayman.com
Cambridge, MA 02139 AppleLink: CAYMAN.TECH
___________________________________________________________________
David Halonen, Center for Machine Intelligence, Electronic Data Systems
Ann Arbor, MI (313) 995-0900
AppleLink: N0548 Internet: dave@cmi.comsofta@vax.MCD.3Com.Com (Douglas Phillips) (04/26/91)
Since 3Com makes Apple's Ethernet cards for them and also sells them under the 3Com label, our cards work perfectly also. Actually this is true for our Nubus cards, I haven't tried one of our SE cards. Douglas
paulr@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Russell) (04/26/91)
From article <8129@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, by phillips@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Mark D Phillips): > Ethernet Cards and System 7 > > I recently found out that I will not be able to install System 7.0b4 on > any of my Ethernet-equipped Macs as the cards' manufacturers do not have > System 7-compatible drivers for their Ethernet boards. You've got me worried now - we use Asante Ethernet boards. Currently we're on version 3.1 of the Asante drivers I think. Does anyone out there know for sure whether System 7.0 will run with Asante Ethernet boards ? //Paul -- Paul Russell, Department of Experimental Psychology University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QG, England Janet: paulr@uk.ac.sussex.syma Nsfnet: paulr@syma.sussex.ac.uk Bitnet: paulr%sussex.syma@ukacrl.bitnet Usenet: ...ukc!syma!paulr
seiffert@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (04/26/91)
We have been buying Asante's MacCon series cards for awhile. I have been running Sys/7.0b4 for about 3 weeks now on Asante's 3.1 drivers. Have had very few problems and I have been running in 32-bit mode with virtual memory on my IIci. Our Mac specialists contacted Asante and was able to get a beta of their driver for Sys/7 even though the current driver seems pretty stable to me. I would say that you bought from the wrong vendor. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Asante'. Just a satisfied customer. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////| Kurt A. Seiffert ---> Novell <- seiffert@ucs.indiana.edu UCS Workstations ---> Unix <-- seiffert@silver.ucs.indiana.edu LAN Specialist ---> VMS <--- seiffert@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu WCC Office:104.08 ph:855-5746 ---> C <------ 750 N. SR 46 "No silly quote yet... Well I ---> Scheme <- Bloomington, IN 47405 could, but nothing original." ---> Macintosh!! <<<<<<<<<()>>>>>>>>> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\|