v097pba8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ken F Morton) (04/27/91)
Hi! In trying to decide upon getting a LC or an SE/30 I've come across the option of 030 and 040 cpu cards for the LC. Can someone direct me to information on such cards? I like the color of the LC, along with the "newness", but not far down the road I need more processing power than the 020 provides. And of course to start it's cheaper than a SE/30, with a bigger screen. Thanks alot for your help! Ken Ken Morton "A vacant engineer rides on a v097pba8@ubvms.Bitnet train of thought that will not v097pba8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu lead him home" - Edie Brickell
palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) (05/02/91)
In article <73310@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v097pba8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ken F Morton) writes: > > Hi! In trying to decide upon getting a LC or an SE/30 I've >come across the option of 030 and 040 cpu cards for the LC. Can >someone direct me to information on such cards? In response to the same question I was directed to the April 15 issue of Info World. There is a "Mac News" section which has the information you seek. You won't like the prices quated, however. We'll have to see how much these upgrades will cost in the real world yet! The limitations of the LC are daunting. The ROM is crippled, and there is only 4 watts available to run a card on the direct processor slot. An 040-based card for the LC has been fashioned which draws 3.7 W. All this information is from the Info World article; I have no special knowledge, and the num- bers quoted may be fictitious. Any competent engineer could design a more robust power supply than the LC's for a negligible investment. I can only conclude that crippling the ROM and limiting the power avail- able is Apple's way of tormenting the consumer for purpose of maximizing profit. I make two observations: 1. That's a rotten way to deal with your customers, Apple! 2. Your low opinion of us is entirely justified. I just ordered an LC in full knowledge of your rotten attitude. Barnum was qualitatively right, though he could have benefitted from reading Malthus! That's why so many of us are sitting here rooting for NeXT to make it! Leigh Hunt Palmer
myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) (05/02/91)
In article <1991May1.194602.5350@newsserver.sfu.ca> palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) writes: [...] > 2. Your low opinion of us is entirely justified. I just ordered > an LC in full knowledge of your rotten attitude. > >That's why so many of us are sitting here rooting for NeXT to make it! Why didn't you buy a NeXT instead then? It simply doesn't make sense. Michael MY Hui Ottawa Canada myhui@bnr.ca
chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) (05/03/91)
palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) writes: >In article <73310@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v097pba8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ken F >Morton) writes: >> >> Hi! In trying to decide upon getting a LC or an SE/30 I've >>come across the option of 030 and 040 cpu cards for the LC. Can >>someone direct me to information on such cards? > >In response to the same question I was directed to the April 15 issue >of Info World. There is a "Mac News" section which has the information >you seek. You won't like the prices quated, however. We'll have to see >how much these upgrades will cost in the real world yet! The limitations >of the LC are daunting. The ROM is crippled, and there is only 4 watts >available to run a card on the direct processor slot. An 040-based card >for the LC has been fashioned which draws 3.7 W. All this information is >from the Info World article; I have no special knowledge, and the num- >bers quoted may be fictitious. Any competent engineer could design a >more robust power supply than the LC's for a negligible investment. I >can only conclude that crippling the ROM and limiting the power avail- >able is Apple's way of tormenting the consumer for purpose of maximizing >profit. I make two observations: > > 1. That's a rotten way to deal with your customers, Apple! I am no Mac lover, but you have to realize that you and are buying an LC because it's CHEAP. (well, i don't consider it cheap, but for mac prices it is) cheap means limitations. period, the end, final. if you don't want limitations then you pay for a IIci or fx.. > > 2. Your low opinion of us is entirely justified. I just ordered > an LC in full knowledge of your rotten attitude. Barnum was > qualitatively right, though he could have benefitted from > reading Malthus! I don't understand that conclusion. like i said before, you want expansion, you pay for it. > >That's why so many of us are sitting here rooting for NeXT to make it! > >Leigh Hunt Palmer .--------------------------------------------------------------------------. | UUCP: {amdahl!tcnet, crash}!orbit!pnet51!chucks | "I know he's come back | | ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!chucks@nosc.mil | from the dead, but do | | INET: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org | you really think he's | |-------------------------------------------------| moved back in?" | | Amiga programmer at large, employment options | Lou Diamond Philips in | | welcome, inquire within. | "The First Power". | `--------------------------------------------------------------------------'
palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) (05/03/91)
In article <1991May01.230627.16339@bmerh2.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes: >In article <1991May1.194602.5350@newsserver.sfu.ca> palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) writes: >[...] >> 2. Your low opinion of us is entirely justified. I just ordered >> an LC in full knowledge of your rotten attitude. >> >>That's why so many of us are sitting here rooting for NeXT to make it! > >Why didn't you buy a NeXT instead then? It simply doesn't make sense. > > Michael MY Hui Ottawa Canada myhui@bnr.ca > I'm not buying a NeXT for two reasons, one good and one bad: 1. NeXT has a severe vaporware problem. Applications are not appearing rapidly enough to justify my making the jump, though there is better value in the hardware. If I were doing development NeXT would be my choice, but I rely on applications. There is not really a satisfactory substitute for MacDraw, for example, on the NeXT, and I need that. Mac applications appeared much more rapidly in the beginning. 2. I have the DOS-inertia syndrome, Part II. The same disease which kept less adventurous MS-DOS users from converting to the clearly superior Macintosh keeps me now from jumping to NeXT. I have a large (personal) investment in Macintosh hardware and software, over $7,000. Its market value used is negligible, so I am throwing C$3,500 good money after it to buy my new LC (yes, that's what a reasonably equipped* LC costs at a university in Canada, including all taxes). *10 Mbytes RAM, 105 Mbytes HD, and Apple monochrome monitor. On a lighter note, I'll share with you a response I got to my last posting: >From god@apple.com Wed May 1 19:19:02 1991 > >Leigh, > >You have a shitty attitude. Why don't you get a real life. The >Mac LC is not crippled, just your attitude! > >God It's hard to please those guys, even when you buy their stuff! Leigh Hunt Palmer Simon Fraser University
weiss@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) (05/03/91)
In article <1991May2.183731.21678@newsserver.sfu.ca> palmer@whistler.sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer) writes: >>From god@apple.com Wed May 1 19:19:02 1991 >>You have a shitty attitude. Why don't you get a real life. The >>Mac LC is not crippled, just your attitude! >>God He calls himself God, and then complains about YOUR attitude?!?!?! Some people wouldn't recognize hypocracy if it slapped them on the face... (sheesh) -- \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | / - Michael Weiss weiss@watson.seas.ucla.edu | School of Engineering and - - izzydp5@oac.ucla.edu | Applied Science, UCLA - / | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | \
jnsims01@ulkyvx.bitnet (05/10/91)
In article <2644@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, weiss@mott.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes: > people wouldn't recognize hypocracy if it slapped them on the face... ^^^^^^^^^ Let's see... 'hypocracy' would be a society ruled by syringes, right? Smileys, lots of smileys... My wife AND my employer ignore my opinions - feel free to do the same! ........................................................................ . John Norman Sims, Jr. / BITNET: JNSIMS01@ULKYVM or JNSIMS01@ULKYVX . . Univ. of Louisville / Computing & Telecommunications / (502)588-5565 . ........................................................................ You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game