[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Apple HD SC Setup won't recognize my 3rd-party hard drive?

bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) (05/19/91)

I have a Tulin 50Mb hard drive with an Adaptec ACB4000A controller
board, and one thing I noticed but was never able to figure out was
why the Apple HD SC Setup program never could see it -- whenever I ran
the program, it told me something like `no suitable devices found
connected to the SCSI port.'  I figured this was because the hard
drive's driver was incompatible.

Well, I heard the Apple HD SC Setup program that comes with System 7.0
is compatible with third-party drives, now, and a thorough check of
the System 7.0 Reference book found no mention that it was only for
Apple drives or anything.  So I tried running this latest version of
the program right after I updated my hard drive's driver with
Silverlining (which I understood was compatible with the HD Setup
program).

It still couldn't find my drive.  What am I not seeing here?  Is it
just that my drive isn't capable of doing whatever it is that the HD
Setup program modifies the driver to do, or have I just not found the
right driver yet (and if not, then where should I look)?

Apologies if I'm being vague -- I've never really understood what the
HD Setup program is supposed to do.  Can anyone Enlighten me on that
point?

advThanks,

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blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) (05/20/91)

bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes:

>Well, I heard the Apple HD SC Setup program that comes with System 7.0
>is compatible with third-party drives [...]

I don't know where you heard the rumor, but there has been no change in
the functionality of HD SC Setup with respect to 3rd party hard disks.
HD SC Setup works only with Apple hard drives.  I suggest purchasing
Silverlining or some similar product instead.

--Brian Bechtel     blob@apple.com     "My opinion, not Apple's"

russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (05/22/91)

In article <53081@apple.Apple.COM> blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes:
>bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes:
>
>>Well, I heard the Apple HD SC Setup program that comes with System 7.0
>>is compatible with third-party drives [...]
>
>I don't know where you heard the rumor, but there has been no change in
>the functionality of HD SC Setup with respect to 3rd party hard disks.
>HD SC Setup works only with Apple hard drives.  I suggest purchasing
>Silverlining or some similar product instead.

ROTFL!  There HAS been a change, and the information above is NOT true.  As I
recall from hacking HD SC Setup, it USED to FIRST check for the words
"APPLE COMPUTER INC." as the result of some SCSI command.  If that worked,
the drive was considered usable.  Then it checked to see if the type string
matched a list-- if it matched anything in the list, again, the drive was
considered useable.  NOW it checks the list, and if it doesn't show up in
the list, the drive is not usable.  THEN it checks for APPLE COMPUTER INC.,
and if it doesn't find it, the drive is not usable.  So to make it work with
third party drives-- First, hack one of the strings in the resource fork (one
of the CODE segments) to match what the drive tells SCSIProbe or SEdit. 
THEN do a search-and-replace in the resource fork for
0007 181C 660E 6000
replace with
0007 181C 6664 6000
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klingspo@mozart.cs.colostate.edu (Steve Klingsporn) (05/22/91)

If you have the "decompiling" version of ResEdit 2.1
and MacsBug, you can change the string(s) that will
correspond to the hard disk, and therefore use a 3rd party
hard disk.  It's been done.

Steve Klingsporn