[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Silverlining and 7.0 'Put Away'. A Warning.

sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) (06/18/91)

Here's a fun interaction I discovered between Silverlining 5.31/12 and
System 7.0's Finder-

Try the 'Put Away <CMD-Y>' command to unmount partitions on your hard
drive. When you reboot, 'voila'- you'll have a trashed Master File Directory
for the entire drive.

Workarounds include Disk First Aid and Dragging the Volume to the
Trash Instead or using <CMD-Y>.

Mac IIci, cache card, 8-Megs RAM, Quantum 105 and Quantum 80 Meg Pro Drives.
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baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.124525.7626@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) writes:

   Here's a fun interaction I discovered between Silverlining 5.31/12 and
   System 7.0's Finder-

   Try the 'Put Away <CMD-Y>' command to unmount partitions on your hard
   drive. When you reboot, 'voila'- you'll have a trashed Master File Directory
   for the entire drive.

   Workarounds include Disk First Aid and Dragging the Volume to the
   Trash Instead or using <CMD-Y>.

This is certainly worrisome, especially since 5.3x was so long in
coming.  One would have thought that LaCie would have tested this.

Have you reported this to LaCie yet?  Any response?

I'm still waiting for my upgrade; they've managed to cash my $25
check, but so far I've not seen a happy little upgrade disk poking out
of my mailbox...  :-(

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nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) (06/19/91)

In article <1991Jun18.124525.7626@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) writes:
> Try the 'Put Away <CMD-Y>' command to unmount partitions on your hard
> drive. When you reboot, 'voila'- you'll have a trashed Master File Directory
> for the entire drive.

For the record (although I'm sure you know this anyway) this is fine with
Silverlining 5.28.

Is there a good reason to go to 5.31 over 5.28 (the above being a rather
bad reason... :-))?
 
	Nick.

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emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) (06/19/91)

In article <BAUMGART.91Jun18185308@esquire.esquire.dpw.com> baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:
>I'm still waiting for my upgrade; they've managed to cash my $25
>check, but so far I've not seen a happy little upgrade disk poking out
>of my mailbox...  :-(

Only $25?!?!?  They insisted that I send $50!

Other users of SilverLining - please e-mail me with what you were charged
for the upgrade; I will summarize and report to the net (and possibly to
the California Attorney General's office).
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sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) (06/20/91)

nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

>Is there a good reason to go to 5.31 over 5.28? 

Not as far as I know. I just used what I had access to. Silverlining
has always been very flaky, so I had my Disaster Disks in hand when I updated
the drivers.

I can't wait for FWB to finally release their new software to the public-
it is reportedly stable as a rock and includes nifty things like an 
optimzing cache in its drivers. (According to the folks at Ziff-Davis Rags. ;-)
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drg@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu (06/20/91)

In article <1991Jun19.153849.6470@dhw68k.cts.com> emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark
Hartman) writes:
>Only $25?!?!?  They insisted that I send $50!
>
>Other users of SilverLining - please e-mail me with what you were charged
>for the upgrade; I will summarize and report to the net (and possibly to
>the California Attorney General's office).

They seem to be charging a different amount which depends on what version of SL
you are currently using.I believe this is pointed out in their ads.

David Gutierrez
drg@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu

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nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) (06/20/91)

In article <1991Jun19.185610.22682@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) writes:
> Silverlining
> has always been very flaky

Really? I've been running it for a month on a couple of machines without
problems. Getting it installed on a Rodime was interesting, but it's fine
now it's running. What sort of problems have you been seeing?

I'm still waiting to hear about any upgrade from 5.28. But then, I'm in
Europe, so it could take a while.

	Nick.

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rob@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert K Shull) (06/20/91)

In article <1991Jun19.153849.6470@dhw68k.cts.com> emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) writes:
>In article <BAUMGART.91Jun18185308@esquire.esquire.dpw.com> baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes:
>>I'm still waiting for my upgrade; they've managed to cash my $25
>>check, but so far I've not seen a happy little upgrade disk poking out
>>of my mailbox...  :-(
>
>Only $25?!?!?  They insisted that I send $50!

There's been a discussion of this going on on CompuServe. They have indeed
been quoting different rates to different people, even for upgrades from
the same version. It appears to depend on who you get on the phone, and when.
I was quoted $25 for upgrade from 5.27.

	Robert
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mjkobb@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) (06/21/91)

In article <12849@skye.cs.ed.ac.uk> nick@lfcs.ed.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1991Jun19.185610.22682@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) writes:
>> Silverlining
>> has always been very flaky
>
>Really? I've been running it for a month on a couple of machines without
>problems. Getting it installed on a Rodime was interesting, but it's fine
>now it's running. What sort of problems have you been seeing?

I'll second Nick's experience.  I've been running SL for two years now, and
I've had very few problems.  In fact, none that I can think of.  The only
problem I'm seeing now is that my partitions fail to unmount (error -19, I
think), but I'd attributed that to running 5.28 under 7.0...

emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark Hartman) (06/21/91)

In article <5131@lib.tmc.edu> drg@mdaali.mda.uth.tmc.edu writes:
>In article <1991Jun19.153849.6470@dhw68k.cts.com> emmayche@dhw68k.cts.com (Mark
>Hartman) writes:
>>Only $25?!?!?  They insisted that I send $50!
>>
>>Other users of SilverLining - please e-mail me with what you were charged
>>for the upgrade; I will summarize and report to the net (and possibly to
>>the California Attorney General's office).
>
>They seem to be charging a different amount which depends on what version of SL
>you are currently using.I believe this is pointed out in their ads.

They didn't ask what version I was using...
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sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) (06/22/91)

nick@cs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>What sort of problems have you been seeing?


On an 80 Meg Quantum from  LaCie, using a IIci, I've seen all sorts 
of fun things happen when I have my cache card enabled while I'm
partitioning the drive- namely it stems from the Macintosh OS believing
that every partition I created is 84 Megabytes. While the extra space
is wonderful (grin), it does lead to some interesting read/write errors
later on.
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mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) (06/26/91)

In article <1991Jun18.124525.7626@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sjhg9320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (/dev/null ) writes:
>Here's a fun interaction I discovered between Silverlining 5.31/12 and
>System 7.0's Finder-
>
>Try the 'Put Away <CMD-Y>' command to unmount partitions on your hard
>drive. When you reboot, 'voila'- you'll have a trashed Master File Directory
>for the entire drive.

I have tried this same shortcut ->  Put Away <CMD-Y> <- to a volume/partition
running system 7.0 with a disk formatted with SilverLining 5.31/12. 

I did NOT loose my partition or any data/files contained therein.  I wonder if
the problem mentioned above is caused by some init or cdev conflict rather than
a 'bug' in SilverLining 5.31/12. There seem to be a number of problems
under 7.0 that can be traced to init/cdev 'conflicts'.

If anyone else out there using SilverLining 5.31/12 under 7.0 has experienced
any data loses let me know.  I'll post a summary to the net of the results
of this survey.  I'll also send results to LaCie for evaluation.  Include
all relevant hardware data and if possible include a list of your cdevs and
inits in use.

Mel Shear
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