[comp.sys.mac.hardware] Questions about the Mac LC

bst2948@cec2.wustl.edu (Bryan Sauhsung Tung) (04/18/91)

I'm considering buying a MAC LC, and I have a few questions:

1. Will all color applications run on an LC with the Apple 12" monitor?
2. Do some applications assume the presence of a coprocessor (which the
   LC doesn't have) ?
3. Is the VRAM upgrade available from anyone other than Apple?
4. What are good monitors to hook up to the LC w/ VRAM upgrade?
5. Is virtual memory capability really that important?

Bryan.Tung@p911.f421.n109.z1.FidoNet.Org (Bryan Tung) (06/20/91)

1. Can the Mac LC (with VRAM and a math coprocessor installed) run all
Macintosh software, including programs written specifically for the Mac
II's?
2. Does Mac II software require a 68030 or just a FPU?
3. Does an LC with VRAM do full 8-bit color on the Apple 13" monitor?
4. Are there any boards for the LC that have a FPU and a PMMU?
5. Has anyone had any compatibility problems with the LC?
Please respond by posting.
Thanks!

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Brian.V.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) (06/20/91)

In article <677412014.0@blkcat.FidoNet>
Bryan.Tung@p911.f421.n109.z1.FidoNet.Org (Bryan Tung) writes:

> 1. Can the Mac LC (with VRAM and a math coprocessor installed) run all
> Macintosh software, including programs written specifically for the Mac
> II's?

    I haven't had any real problems running any software for the Mac II
family on the LC in my office, especially if you install the Pseudo-FPU
init, but if you have a coprocessor expansion card then you will
definately have no problems. In terms of the extra VRAM SIMM, this is
pretty much icing on the cake, but it does make certain programs look a
lot nicer.

> 2. Does Mac II software require a 68030 or just a FPU?

    As far as I know, Mac II software doesn't necessarily require
either of them, but yes most software thatr is written for the Mac II
does look for a co-processor. I don't think that it actually looks to
see if you are running a 68030 CPU.

> 3. Does an LC with VRAM do full 8-bit color on the Apple 13" monitor?

    Yes it does, and I have always felt that the main reason to get the
VRAM upgrade is because you have a 13" monitor with your LC and you
want more than 16 colors. I have always hated the 12" color.

> 4. Are there any boards for the LC that have a FPU and a PMMU?

    I believe that there are a couple of them, I seem to remember
reading an add for them in MacWeek. This is the place to check. Chances
are if it exists inthe 3rd Party world then there is an add for it in
the back of MacWeek.

> 5. Has anyone had any compatibility problems with the LC?

    To be honest, in the 4 months that I had an LC the only thing that
ever gave me a compatibility problem was trying to use the Satori
module with AfterDark because it required a Math Co-processor. Later.


-Hades
 Brian Hughes
 hades@Eleazar.Dartmouth.Edu
 Dartmouth Medical School - Computer Information Specialist

stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) (06/21/91)

In article <677412014.0@blkcat.FidoNet>, Bryan.Tung@p911.f421.n109.z1.FidoNet.Org (Bryan Tung) writes:
> 1. Can the Mac LC (with VRAM and a math coprocessor installed) run all
> Macintosh software, including programs written specifically for the Mac
> II's?

It should. The only software I've found so far which doesn't run
properly is some pre-new-sound manager music software, and the
occasional game. Software which requires specific hardware (e.g.
68030) may also not run.

> 2. Does Mac II software require a 68030 or just a FPU?

Depends on the software. Most "Mac II specific" software I've
seen requires just a FPU rather than a 68030. In fact, I would
think that the number of applications which actually *require* a
68030 would be rather small.

> 3. Does an LC with VRAM do full 8-bit color on the Apple 13" monitor?

Yes. And if you're wondering whether you should buy one, *do*. I
bought a 12", and now I wish I hadn't :-( The extra screen area
is *definitely* worth it.

> 4. Are there any boards for the LC that have a FPU and a PMMU?

I haven't heard of any yet... I *have* been told that it might be
rather difficult to put a PMMU into a standard '020 LC. It has
something to do with the fact that there is RAM hardwired to the
motherboard - a PMMU wouldn't be able to access it, or something
like that, I can't remember exactly. Maybe you should wait until
the '030 LCs come out :-)

> 5. Has anyone had any compatibility problems with the LC?

Compatibility with what? Software? Hardware? For software, see
above. Hardware? I haven't had any problems, but then, I don't
have a lot of hardware :-(

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sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG) (06/26/91)

>> 1. Can the Mac LC (with VRAM and a math coprocessor installed) run all
>> Macintosh software, including programs written specifically for the Mac >> II's?

>    I haven't had any real problems running any software for the Mac II
>family on the LC in my office, especially if you install the Pseudo-FPU

Some software somehow knows that a coprocessor is not installed, even if
the init is present. Other software checks the toolbox to see what kind of
machine the prog is run; if it finds something other than Mac II, then
it says "sorry".  

>does look for a co-processor. I don't think that it actually looks to
>see if you are running a 68030 CPU.

If there are any instructions specific  for the '030, then  it wouldn't
work unless there is some code to take care of the exception (not likely, but 
then at this stage, there probably aren't too many programs that take advantage
of '030 code...coreect me if I'm wrong.... If the code works on the original
 Mac II (which has '020, it'll probably be ok. 

>want more than 16 colors. I have always hated the 12" color.

Well, it IS a step up from the tiny B&W Mac screen.  The 13" is much nicer,
I agree.