[comp.object] Myths about ST: was Is Smalltalk for real in MS-DOS?

klimas@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (01/25/91)

In article <22574@well.sf.ca.us>, jjacobs@well.sf.ca.us (Jeffrey Jacobs) writes:
> Smalltalk is a very large system, 

	Unfortunately for C and C++ users, Smalltalk can provide equivalent
	functionality in about 30% less memory based on actual experiences
	in rewriting large C programs into Smalltalk.

> with only two vendors, ParcPlace and
> Digitalk.  Compatibility between the two is so-so.  DT is concentrating
> primarily on OS/2, ParcPlace on various UNIX platforms.
> 
> Performance is generally on the slow side.  This really isn't a compiler

	If performance in modern Smalltalk's is a problem then it
	will be a problem in C also.  We have seen Smalltalk programs
	actually run faster than the C programs they were replacing.

> per se, nor are the runtime facilities particularly well suited to
> commercial development.
	Gee, the latest issue of OS/2/Windows magazine declares
	"Smalltalk is poised as the number one GUI development language." 
	And I know of several commercial products under development or 
	on the retail shelf based on Smalltalk at least one of which
	is a replacement for an inefficient C based product!

> 
> The language/paradigm is somewhat difficult for people to learn.
	The language is easy to learn based upon training experiences
	with several hundred people.  The libraries take some time to
	learn, but in other languages, the users don't have to worry
	about that because they have to develope the libraries on their
	own.  Smalltalk's 4x productivity over conventional languages
	such as C can not be ignored as a strong indicator of its power.

> Finally, 4GL's are more attuned to handling large amounts and sets of
> data.  ST is targeted at sophisticated user interactions and graphics.
	Based upon actual industrial experiences, I believe this posting
	is fraught with misconceptions and myths that seriously undermine
	its credibility.
> 
> Jeffrey M. Jacobs
> ConsArt Systems Inc, Technology & Management Consulting
> P.O. Box 3016, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266
> voice: (213)376-3802, E-Mail: 76702.456@COMPUSERVE.COM

hsrender@happy.colorado.edu (01/26/91)

In article <2961.279ffcba@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, klimas@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> In article <22574@well.sf.ca.us>, jjacobs@well.sf.ca.us (Jeffrey Jacobs) writes:
> 	Based upon actual industrial experiences, I believe this posting
> 	is fraught with misconceptions and myths that seriously undermine
> 	its credibility.

Could you provide some proof of your statements?  I personally would like
to counter Smalltalk detractors with something better than "this guy
said so."  

hal render
render@zeppo.colorado.edu