[alt.sys.sun] article changes by moderator -- either timestamp or content

crum@lipari.usc.edu (Gary L. Crum) (12/17/89)

I attempted to post an article to comp.sys.sun around 15-Nov, and about
one month later (11-Dec) the article appeared in USC's comp.sys.sun news
spool.  Worse than the delay is the fact that the "Date:" line on the
message lists 5-Dec, not the day I composed the message.  In this case,
it's no big deal, but this is yet another reason that topics like Suns
should not be left to moderated newsgroups only.

The message I'm talking about had the subject "YP passwd map
capacity", and it was in fact posted to this group (alt.sys.sun) on
5-Dec in a modified form (not the same as the message that appeared in
comp.sys.sun on 11-Dec).  I posted it to alt.sys.sun after "timing
out".  Maybe the reason it as approved by the moderator was the fact
that I posted it here, but unless my attempt to post to comp.sys.sun
didn't get the message to the moderator, it seems that comp.sys.sun
moderation is susceptible to corruption like that of communist governments.
(Okay, more like the ordinary mis-quoting and bias of all news media except
unmoderated newsgroups.)

Just for your information,
Gary

allbery@NCoast.ORG (Brandon S. Allbery) (12/18/89)

As quoted from <CRUM.89Dec16164428@lipari.usc.edu> by crum@lipari.usc.edu (Gary L. Crum):
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| I attempted to post an article to comp.sys.sun around 15-Nov, and about
| one month later (11-Dec) the article appeared in USC's comp.sys.sun news
| spool.  Worse than the delay is the fact that the "Date:" line on the
| message lists 5-Dec, not the day I composed the message.  In this case,
| it's no big deal, but this is yet another reason that topics like Suns
| should not be left to moderated newsgroups only.
+---------------

I hate to tell you, but this is SOP for moderated groups.  In particular,
updating the Date: header is *required*.  I used to leave the Date: alone in
comp.sources.misc; even with the minimal delay I hold to, articles had a
tendency to be junked because they were too old according to receiving
machines' expiration periods.  For a longer-latency moderated group like
comp.sys.sun, *every* article would be rejected as too old if the date weren't
changed.

And moderation delays are a fact of life, especially in sources newsgroups.
The moderator in most newsgroups (comp.sources.misc is a special case, I'm
just a noise filter ;-) is expected to test the software and make sure that it
works properly, and try to trap any trojan horses or etc. hiding in the source.
Not to mention little things like detecting problems caused by antisocial news
or mail systems that decide to munch on the submission....

You'd probably hate comp.sources.misc even more, because articles go out with
*my* name on them.  There's a good reason for that, too: if something has to
be canceled for some reason (it has happened a few times, once because someone
accidentally let AT&T trade-secret source creep into his submission) I need to
be the article's "owner" or I can't cancel it.  And while I was able to fudge
around that when c.s.m was run from ncoast, Rick Adams would take a rather dim
view of my forging cancel messages on uunet.  So I *have* to be the poster-of-
record.  (The actual submitter is always listed in the "Submitted-by:"
auxiliary header.)  You'd be amazed how much of a moderator's job is
constrained by the capabilities, or lack thereof, of the Usenet news system.

You're overreacting.  There are good reasons for both of the things you
complained about; don't assume the moderator is censoring postings for
"ideological correctness".

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