benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) (11/13/90)
I can't get email to austin.ibm.com via my regular forwarder, uunet. Or, to be exact, to any of the machines in austin.ibm.com that occur as sources of postings here. Could one of the IBM posters comment on this? -- Benson I. Margulies
mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) (11/14/90)
In article <1990Nov13.124035.545@odi.com>, benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) writes: |> I can't get email to austin.ibm.com via my regular forwarder, uunet. |> Or, to be exact, to any of the machines in austin.ibm.com that occur |> as sources of postings here. Could one of the IBM posters comment |> on this? Try the routing in my .sig file, replacing "testsys!mbrown" with your favorite person. IBM isn't on the Internet (yet). Mark Brown IBM AWD Austin, TX. (512) 823-3741 IBMnet: MBROWN@AUSVM6 MAIL: {cs.utexas.edu|uunet}!aixsm!aixsmlab!testsys!mbrown (gross, huh?) If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister?
tif@doorstop.austin.ibm.com (Paul Chamberlain) (11/14/90)
benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) writes: > I can't get email to austin.ibm.com via my regular forwarder, uunet. Even more troublesome, rumor has it that sending to somesite@austin.ibm.com will land your mail in some (possibly undesirable) internal department. Paul Chamberlain | I do NOT represent IBM. tif@doorstop, sc30661 at ausvm6 512/838-7008 | ...!cs.utexas.edu!ibmchs!auschs!doorstop.austin.ibm.com!tif
de5@ornl.gov (Dave Sill) (11/14/90)
In article <4214@awdprime.UUCP>, mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes: > >IBM isn't on the Internet (yet). % /etc/ping ibm.com almaden.ibm.com is alive % grep ibm.com /etc/hosts 129.33.102.1 almaden.ibm.com ibm.com 192.65.175.1 cambridge.ibm.com 192.35.230.2 iinus1.ibm.com -- Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) Martin Marietta Energy Systems Workstation Support
shair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) (11/14/90)
de5@ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes: >In article <4214@awdprime.UUCP>, mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes: >> >>IBM isn't on the Internet (yet). >% /etc/ping ibm.com >almaden.ibm.com is alive >% grep ibm.com /etc/hosts >129.33.102.1 almaden.ibm.com ibm.com >192.65.175.1 cambridge.ibm.com >192.35.230.2 iinus1.ibm.com IFF a person at austin will have his manager register him as an Internet user at IINUS1, then he can receive mail at <vnetnode>.iinus1.ibm.com, he will be on the Internet for mail, at least. I haven't figured out how to read network news through that interface, though (obviously). -- Bob Shair shair@chgvmic1.iinus1.ibm.com Scientific Computing Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) IBM Champaign
daveb@nostromo.austin.ibm.com (Dave Burton) (11/14/90)
In article <1990Nov13.124035.545@odi.com> benson@odi.com (Benson I. Margulies) writes: |I can't get email to austin.ibm.com via my regular forwarder, uunet. |Or, to be exact, to any of the machines in austin.ibm.com that occur |as sources of postings here. Could one of the IBM posters comment |on this? IBM is slowly getting access to the internet. To my knowledge, there are only a few .austin.ibm.com inet machines. The situation is improving. Note that the Reply-To field references one such machine. If mail to x@y.austin.ibm.com is bouncing, try "...!cs.utexas.edu!ibmchs!auschs!y.austin.ibm.com!x". -- Dave -- Dave Burton inet: daveb@bach.austin.ibm.com uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ibmchs!auschs!nostromo!daveb
mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) (11/14/90)
> >>IBM isn't on the Internet (yet). > >% /etc/ping ibm.com > >almaden.ibm.com is alive > >% grep ibm.com /etc/hosts > >129.33.102.1 almaden.ibm.com ibm.com > >192.65.175.1 cambridge.ibm.com > >192.35.230.2 iinus1.ibm.com > I haven't figured out how to read network news through that > interface, though (obviously). My first statement, while not completely true (and I've been getting mail from all the sites that *are* on the Net), is borne out here... But we're working on it! Mark Brown IBM AWD Austin, TX. (512) 823-3741 IBMnet: MBROWN@AUSVM6 MAIL: {cs.utexas.edu|uunet}!aixsm!aixsmlab!testsys!mbrown (gross, huh?) If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister?
pszemkow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Paul Szemkow) (11/19/90)
In article <4233@awdprime.UUCP> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes: >> >>IBM isn't on the Internet (yet). >> >% /etc/ping ibm.com >> >almaden.ibm.com is alive >> >% grep ibm.com /etc/hosts >> >129.33.102.1 almaden.ibm.com ibm.com >> >192.65.175.1 cambridge.ibm.com >> >192.35.230.2 iinus1.ibm.com >> I haven't figured out how to read network news through that >> interface, though (obviously). > >My first statement, while not completely true (and I've been getting mail >from all the sites that *are* on the Net), is borne out here... > >But we're working on it! > >Mark Brown IBM AWD Austin, TX. (512) 823-3741 IBMnet: MBROWN@AUSVM6 >MAIL: {cs.utexas.edu|uunet}!aixsm!aixsmlab!testsys!mbrown (gross, huh?) > >If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister? Is there a way of addressing a person on VNET through internet? I have the following address, VNET:RSNYDER at BOSTON. What more do I need? I have tried emailing directly to you, without success. Any suggestions?
dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com (David J. Cheney) (11/20/90)
IBM's Advanced Workstation Division (home of the RISC System/6000 and AIX)
has a full service connection to the Internet.
In August the Austin site 129.35 network was linked to the Internet via
an intelligent router. The router is programmed to support "Internet
Approved Nodes" - IBM computer systems specifically approved for the
Internet Service. The router passes communications only between an
Approved Node and the Internet. Furthermore, the traffic is limited by
direction: ONLY mail, talk, and ping are supported INBOUND.
There are currently 8 approved nodes, with the number expected to increase
to over 40 by year end. Of course, one Approved Node can support multiple
users; there are about 60 current users.
With their manager's approval, a user may have their own workstation
approved, gaining fully transparent access to the Internet. Alternatively,
the manager may choose to provide the service to a user at a remote
approved node rather than accept the management overhead of a new node.
An important point needs to be made about mail: many people currently have
<name>@<machine>.austin.ibm.com
in their ~/.signature files. If <machine>.austin.ibm.com is not pingable,
you CANNOT successfully deliver mail to <name> at or via that machine,
The best way to find out mail paths to a specific user (AWD has for some
time had the uucp mail path:
@cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!<machine>.austin.ibm.com!<user>
) is to call the person and ask. We are evaluating alternative approaches
to solving this problem. IBM Austin employees without approved nodes have
been asked to correct their signature files.
Our hope is that this connection may provide a model for future connections
between other IBM organizations and the Internet.
To learn more about AWD's Internet Service, see recent posts in ibm.awd.news.
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David J. Cheney (512)823-3799 IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Zip 2401
dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com 11400 Burnet Road, Austin, TX 78758marc@stingray.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson/140000;1C-22) (11/21/90)
In article <1990Nov19.144943.10764@rodan.acs.syr.edu> pszemkow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Paul Szemkow) writes: >In article <4233@awdprime.UUCP> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes: >>Mark Brown IBM AWD Austin, TX. (512) 823-3741 IBMnet: MBROWN@AUSVM6 >>MAIL: {cs.utexas.edu|uunet}!aixsm!aixsmlab!testsys!mbrown (gross, huh?) > >Is there a way of addressing a person on VNET through internet? I have the >following address, VNET:RSNYDER at BOSTON. What more do I need? I have >tried emailing directly to you, without success. Any suggestions? VNET is one name for an IBM internal net linking IBM sites around the world. Mark Brown calls it IBMnet in his signature. One cannot normally get to VNET from external means such as Internet. Many of us within IBM include VNET in our signatures because some internal newsgroups get shadowed onto VNET-accesible internal nodes. Some sites are getting normal Internet nodes so that you won't have to use addresses such as the "External" address in my signature, but I doubt that BOSTON is one of those. -- Marc Stephenson (marc@stingray.austin.ibm.com) DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. External: uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ibmaus!auschs!stingray.austin.ibm.com!marc Internal: marc@stingray.austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ T/L: 793-3796
jmr@predator.austin.ibm.com (Jim Rowan) (11/21/90)
In article <1990Nov19.144943.10764@rodan.acs.syr.edu> pszemkow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Paul Szemkow) writes: >Is there a way of addressing a person on VNET through internet? I have the >following address, VNET:RSNYDER at BOSTON. What more do I need? I have >tried emailing directly to you, without success. Any suggestions? Basically it's not possible without other arrangements having been made. If RSNYDER didn't do something to make it possible, then it won't be. There are several possible ways that (s)he might get mail, but since (s)he didn't give you the address, it is most likely that (s)he doesn't have one.... -- Jim Rowan (My ravings are my own, and are no fault of my employer.) cs.utexas.edu!ibmchs!jrowan
bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) (11/22/90)
In article <4279@awdprime.UUCP> dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com (David J. Cheney) writes:
An important point needs to be made about mail: many people currently have
<name>@<machine>.austin.ibm.com
in their ~/.signature files. If <machine>.austin.ibm.com is not
pingable, you CANNOT successfully deliver mail to <name> at or via
that machine,
The best way to find out mail paths to a specific user is to call
the person and ask. We are evaluating alternative approaches to
solving this problem. IBM Austin employees without approved nodes
have been asked to correct their signature files.
The problem isn't .signature files (that users control), it's their
mail and news headers (that the system administrators control). If my
friend sends me mail specifying "From:
whoever@machine.austin.ibm.com" and there's no Reply-To: line in the
headers, then my mailer *must* attempt delivery to the machine named
in the From: line. If I receive mail from a user, it's reasonable
(and normal practice in the rest of the Internet) to assume that I can
reply to the mail without bothering to call him on the telephone.
If you're going to have a policy that selectively isolates machines,
then please completely implement the policy. Don't allow your
machines to generate unreplyable message headers. If a machine cannot
accept messages, than don't let messages from that machine leak into
the world outside your wall.
See RFC1123 (Requirements for Internet Hosts -- Application and
Support), section 5.3.7(D) on mail gatewaying (which is what you're
doing, selectively, between IBM's internal environment and the
Internet):
(D) The gateway MUST ensure that all header fields of a
message that it forwards into the Internet meet the
requirements for Internet mail. In particular, all
addresses in "From:", "To:", "Cc:", etc., fields must be
transformed (if necessary) to satisfy RFC-822 syntax, and
they must be effective and useful for sending replies.
Mail leaking from non-approved hosts at austin.ibm.com violates the
last phrase in the last sentence of that paragraph.
I don't want to flame IBM and wave RFCs at you, but if you're going to
bring up the subject of your nonconformant mailers in a public forum,
then you've set yourself up as fair game. I've redirected followups
to comp.mail.misc.
And, lacking a way to get private mail to rangoon.austin.ibm.com,
would you please convey my thanks to Win Bo for his congratulations on
the birth of my son? Lauri, Andy, and I hope that he, Than, and Ryan
are also doing well, but I have been unable to respond privately to
his gracious note, conveyed to me via private mail. See how silly the
effects of selective isolation policies can be?fletcher@cs.utexas.edu (Fletcher Mattox) (11/22/90)
In article <4279@awdprime.UUCP> dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com (David J. Cheney) writes: >The best way to find out mail paths to a specific user (AWD has for some >time had the uucp mail path: > @cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!<machine>.austin.ibm.com!<user> >) is to call the person and ask. We are evaluating alternative approaches >to solving this problem. Can someone please explain to me why IBM doesn't simply advertise MX records which point to cs.utexas.edu for all these "internal" hosts? I will happily forward all such mail via the !-path above. This would go a long way toward fixing the wretched state of email to IBM Austin. All those mail and news headers would suddenly start working! Heck, I could save several hours a month by not having to explain to dozens of people why their mail to IBM bounces. (David's suggestion to phone the person notwithstanding, my mailbox tells me that many folks simply ask <postmaster@cs.utexas.edu>). I make this suggestion annually, by the way. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky one of these years.
kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) (11/24/90)
In article <14941@cs.utexas.edu> fletcher@cs.utexas.edu (Fletcher Mattox) writes: >In article <4279@awdprime.UUCP> dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com (David J. Cheney) writes: >>The best way to find out mail paths to a specific user (AWD has for some >>time had the uucp mail path: >> @cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!<machine>.austin.ibm.com!<user> >>) is to call the person and ask. >Can someone please explain to me why IBM doesn't simply advertise MX >records which point to cs.utexas.edu for all these "internal" hosts? Perhaps they haven't yet heard about MX records and mail exchangers? When last I looked at sendmail on AIX (on an RT a bit over a year ago) it hadn't a clue about MX records (in addition to being rife with severe brain damage of various sorts). I haven't gotten around to looking on the RS/6000 yet but so far /bin/cat is the only utility I've found so far that isn't broken on this "new and improved" RT so I don't hold out much hope. -- Karl Swartz |UUCP {uunet,decwrl}!daver!ditka!kls 1-408/223-1308 |INet kls@ditka.chicago.com "I never let my schooling get in | the way of my education."(Twain) |Snail 1738 Deer Creek Ct., San Jose CA 95148
njs@scifi.UUCP (Nicholas J. Simicich) (11/26/90)
In article <1990Nov19.144943.10764@rodan.acs.syr.edu> pszemkow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Paul Szemkow) writes: >In article <4233@awdprime.UUCP> mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes: >>Mark Brown IBM AWD Austin, TX. (512) 823-3741 IBMnet: MBROWN@AUSVM6 >>MAIL: {cs.utexas.edu|uunet}!aixsm!aixsmlab!testsys!mbrown (gross, huh?) > >Is there a way of addressing a person on VNET through internet? I have the >following address, VNET:RSNYDER at BOSTON. What more do I need? I have >tried emailing directly to you, without success. Any suggestions? Individuals throughout IBM are allowed to sign up (with their first line manager's approval) to use a gateway in Tampa to get mail from the internet. You can try to send mail to rsnyder@boston.iinus1.ibm.com, or, for the MX deprived, rsnyder%boston@iinus1.ibm.com. If that doesn't work, then contact the individual by phone and encourage them to sign up. This, of course, doesn't address the issue of news postings going out with unreachable addresses, which really shouldn't be discussed in this newsgroup. We have lazy news admins here within IBM. I know, cause I'm one. -- Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@ibm.com SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318
dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com (David Cheney) (12/01/90)
MX records are now in place for austin.ibm.com. Mail to
user@host.austin.ibm.com
will now take the direct path into Austin IBM if <host>
is Internet Approved, otherwise they will be routed
@cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!host.austin.ibm.com!user
Finally. Enjoy!
--
----------- You know these words are my own, don't you? -------------
David J. Cheney (512)823-3799 IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Zip 2401
dcheney@dcheney.austin.ibm.com 11400 Burnet Road, Austin, TX 78758