[sci.skeptic] 2nd RFD: misc.writing

jtchew@csa2.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) (04/13/91)

Prologue:  Some of you expressed interest in the SCI.TECH-COMM proposal
and may have wondered what became of it.  After extensive discussions,
it was merged with a near-simultaneous proposal for MISC.WRITING.  I
endorse that proposal (relayed below) and encourage those who are
interested in any aspect of technical communication to participate.

--Joe

>This is the second Request for Discussion regarding the proposed
>newsgroup, misc.writing.  Voting shall be held from April 28 through 
>May 28.
>            
>Post your comments to news.groups or send them to leah@smith.chi.il.us
>or leah%smith@ast.dsd.northrop.com (or if all else fails, in care of
>smithr@ast.dsd.northrop.com).
> 
>HISTORY AND SUMMARY OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSION
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The idea of a newsgroup for writers first came up when Peter Franks
>suggested "rec.arts.writing" on Feb. 16.  I had been about to propose a
>writing group myself when he beat me to it.  Instead, I followed up,
>recommending "misc.writing" as more appropriate for a general writing
>newsgroup.  Informal discussion ensued. Meanwhile, Joseph Chew put in a
>Request for Discussion of "sci.tech-comm," a technical communication
>newsgroup, on March 7.
> 
>Chew's proposal met with some controversy, for a variety of reasons, and
>he agreed to consider coming under the umbrella of the general writing
>group, and to hold off on a Call for Votes on sci.tech-comm until after
>the formal discussion of misc.writing.
> 
>I wrote a Request for Discussion of misc.writing and it was posted March
>28.  Since then, 34 people have contributed to the discussion (as of
>postings received here by April 10).  *No one* has objected to the
>creation of a writing group.
> 
>NON-WORDS AND TECHNO-TRIVIA
>Discussion of the integration of the various facets of technical
>communication which aren't, strictly speaking, "writing" has taken up a
>lot of bandwidth; however, this controversy has almost exclusively been
>among four people.  I'm therefore content to let the rather open-ended
>wording of my original proposal stand.
> 
>ONE NEWSGROUP OVER ALL
>Only four individuals felt strongly that a single newsgroup would be
>insufficient to begin with.  Almost everyone else felt that we should
>see what the traffic is like first.  Many said that they did more than
>one kind of writing themselves or wanted to exchange ideas with writers
>of other genres.  Several people pointed out that all forms of writing
>have much in common.
> 
>SORTING OUT THE KITCHEN SINK
>Many have supported the idea of carefully identified subject lines so
>that people can easily avoid those subjects they don't care to read.  I
>intend to encourage this strongly through a periodic posting to the
>newsgroup.  I have been collecting advice on kill files and other
>tactics for weeding out unwanted subjects and will gladly share.
>(Newsreader experts: send me your ideas, please.)
> 
>KEEP YOUR WRITING TO YOURSELF
>Enough people felt strongly that misc.writing should not be a place to
>post examples of one's work for critical analysis that I have amended
>the charter to make it more emphatic on this point.  Only two posters
>supported the concept of an on-line writers' workshop at all.  The idea
>of the newsgroup as a meeting place for those who want to exchange works
>for critiquing via e-mail was well received, however.
> 
>THERE IS A TIME FOR EVERY PURPOSE
>A couple of people suggested cutting the formal discussion short; one
>person objected vehemently.  I was inclined to be middle of the road
>until I noticed the first-time comment from Edinburgh posted on April 5,
>eight days after the RFD was posted.  That article took several more
>days to get here.  Those of you who have good connections to the
>Internet tend to forget the lag-time for us out in the hinterlands
>(connectively speaking).  Besides, the April 28 to May 28 voting dates
>work out better for processing here.
> 
>Following is the proposed misc.writing charter and supporting material,
>amended slightly from its first appearance.  (I took out my crack about
>editors.  Sorry, but I'm an officer of a Newspaper Guild unit about to
>go into nasty negotiations -- conditions are definitely adversarial.)
> 
>TENTATIVE CHARTER
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Misc.writing is a forum for discussion of writing in all its forms --
>scholarly, technical, journalistic, artistic and mere day-to-day
>communication.  It is a venue for professional writers, would-be
>professionals and all those who write to communicate.
> 
>Misc.writing is primarily about writing in English.  As such, it
>includes consideration of linguistics, grammar and style as they relate
>to composition.  It is not, however, limited to discussion of writing
>for print -- topics may include a variety of other media and means of
>communication.
> 
>In addition to discussion about the process of writing, misc.writing
>also addresses writing as a trade, including (but not limited to)
>reviews of books about writing; notices of workshops and writers' group
>meetings; and information about marketing and publishing.  Tools for
>writing may be a topic, as well.
> 
>Questions about how to write, writing problems and how to improve one's
>writing are welcome, but long excerpts of written works should not be
>posted.  However, the group may serve as a meeting place for those who
>wish to exchange works to critique via e-mail.
> 
>Although the group is general in nature, misc.writing welcomes
>discussions about specific forms of writing; contributors are encouraged
>to identify their topic by including explicit tags such as "TECHNICAL:"
>or "JOURNALISM:" in subject lines.
> 
>Such guidelines shall be enforced by peer pressure only.
>Misc.writing is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>============================================================
> 
>WHY ANOTHER NEW GROUP?
>Almost everyone writes -- if not books and articles, then memos to
>colleagues or letters to mother.  Writing is critical to most
>professionals' jobs, whether it be the major part of their work or
>simply the documentation of it.
> 
>At present, there is no group for general discussion of writing.
>Related discussions therefore tend to be all over the net, with sci.lang
>and rec.arts.books taking the brunt of them.  The latter, as its
>regulars should agree, is already large enough without this traffic.
> 
>Two groups on the alt.net, alt.prose and alt.prose.d exist, but they are
>devoted to fiction and were, according to one of the founders, "created
>primarily to allow writers to have their works of fiction (or
>non-fiction, but the emphasis has always been on the former) read and
>critiqued (in the .d group) by their fellow writers."
> 
>Posting of written works will be discouraged in misc.writing, where the
>emphasis will be discussions of the process and business of writing.
>While everyone who writes in any capacity is welcome, the primary focus
>is on those who do it for a living -- on this network, that means mainly
>journalists and technical writers.
> 
>Various groups in the comp hierarchy discuss aspects of technical
>communication, but do not adequately provide a forum for the many
>technical writers on the net.
> 
>The creation of misc.writing may be the beginning of a hierarchy.  If
>traffic justifies it, further groups could be proposed, along the lines of:
> 
>misc.writing
>misc.writing.technical
>misc.writing.journalism
>misc.writing.educational
>misc.writing.fiction
>misc.writing.grammar
>misc.writing.biff, etc.
> 
>However, we will begin with the initial group, misc.writing, and
>see how it goes.
> 
>WHY MISC?
>Because there is no other good fit.  The rec.arts hierarchy is out
>because of the professional leaning of the proposed group.  It's
>difficult to make a case for writing as a science, and "sci.writing"
>would in any case have the effect of misleading people into thinking it
>was for writing about science.
> 
>WHAT NEXT?
>Post your comments to news.groups.  You may also send e-mail to me at
>the address below.  I ask that those who have already made their
>feelings known refrain from repeating themselves.  If you have something
>new to add, or are new to the discussion, please join in.  Voting begins
>April 28.
> 
>Almost everyone writes, for one reason or another, and a common ground
>for discussion of the process and its peculiarities is greatly needed on
>the net.  Even the best of professionals can benefit from others' tips,
>and those for whom writing is a necessary chore can find help from those
>who do it constantly.
> 
>And if misc.writing turns out to be a means for improving the general
>quality of writing on the net, all the better.  Let's consider it.
>-- 
>L.A.Z. Smith                       leah@smith.chi.il.us
>Wheeling, Illinois
>leah%smith@ast.dsd.northrop.com
>(If the above don't work, send mail to:
> smithr@ast.dsd.northrop.com)
> 
>  CONTRIBUTORS TO THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR
>  alberti@boombox.micro.UMN.EDU (Bob Alberti)
>  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
>  barney@emx.utexas.edu (Barney C. McCartney)
>  bentson@sumax.seattleu.edu (Cindy Bentson)
>  clm4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Cari L. McAskill)
>  cnorman@ucsd.edu (Cyndi Norman)
>  daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
>  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
>  durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell)
>  ellen@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Ellen M. McDonald)
>  fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar)
>  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Christopher L. Lott)
>  geyer@galton.uchicago.edu (Charles Geyer)
>  gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate M. Gregory)
>  hans@lfcs.edinburgh.ac.uk (Hans Huttel)
>  hychejw@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Hyche)
>  Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com (Jeff Abbott)
>  joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
>  jtchew@csa2.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
>  jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
>  ken@racerx.UUCP (Ken Hardy)
>  leah@smith.chi.il.us (L.A.Z. Smith)
>  lmann%jjmhome@m2c.m2c.org (Laurie Mann)
>  LNH1@pasvax.physics.arizona.edu (Larry Hammer)
>  lvron@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ronald E. Graham)
>  raisch@Control.COM (Robert Raisch)
>  rcharman@burn.Princeton.EDU (Robert Craig Harman)
>  rmr@sgi.com (Robert Reimann)
>  salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au (Linden Salter-Duke)
>  sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart T. Fleming)
>  stevep@dgp.toronto.edu (Stephen Portigal)
>  tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox)
>  vortex@vpnet.chi.il.us (Jason J. Levit)
>  writer@irie.ais.org (Dan Romanchik)