unitex@rubbs.fidonet.org (unitex) (10/11/89)
That's separate and apart from the proposition of whether or not we would have made a decision, had we, for example, seen the 7th Infantry Company moving from west of the city down the road where our forces were deployed in and around Howard Air Force Base. That's the kind of decision that would have come up the chain rapidly to the President, and he would have been given the opportunity to make the broad policy decision, if yes, we want to intervene militarily. That decision was never made. Q: Mr. Secretary, I'd like to ask you to clarify two points that have come up in news reports today. There's a report in the Wall St. Journal that several weeks before the coup took place the wife of Major Giraldi relayed some sort of message to U.S. officials indicating that he was interested in pursuing a coup and wanted our support. There was also a report that the rebels had asked us to help transport Noriega from his compound to some other location. Perhaps they were not asking, were not going to place him in U.S. custody, they were simply going to transport him from the compound to some other place where he would be in their custody or in retirement. But did they ask us to transport by helicopter or some other means, Noriega from that compound, if not into U.S. custody? A: To my knowledge they did not. I never heard either one of those reports until you saw them in the newspaper this morning. I don't have any way of knowing what Major Giraldi's wife may or may not have done three weeks ago. The first I heard of Major Giraldi, the first that Washington people in the chain of command, General Powell and myself, ever heard of Major Giraldi in this regard with respect to the coup was the report we got early Monday morning. If there were contacts between her and U.S. officials, we have a lot of officials in Panama. I can't vouch for that, but I know the beginning date, the time at which we first got involved in being informed that there might be a coup or that he was contemplating a coup was after the meeting Sunday night when I was contacted by General Powell who in turn had been contacted through SOUTHCOM very early Monday morning. I don't know what transpired (inaudible) Q: On the second part? A: On the second part, no. In the conversations that tour people had with the people involved in the coup during the coup--this exchange, remember, that occurred in Panama between one of our senior officers on the scene and representatives of the rebels--again, they made it very clear to us that they would not turn him over to us. There was no suggestion, will you move him from one spot to another spot. It simply didn't happen. Q: Mr. Secretary, there's been some finger pointing out of the White House, pointing in the direction of the Pentagon, saying that not enough information or incorrect information was getting through so that Mr. Bush could make the proper decisions. Is that true? Have you heard that? Have yo been asked about it by the White House? Have you been accused? A: Who at the White House? The President in conversations with me on the telephone on Tuesday afternoon and again, as recently as this morning at the White House in person, has expressed his very strong feeling that the Department and the military specifically involved performed well; that any suggestion of any criticism does not come from him. The only thing I can suggest is that as is true a lot of places, not all the Monday morning quarterbacks reside on Capitol Hill. Q: Did the information that the rebel leaders had gone to talk to Genera Cisneros about Noriega, did that information get up to Washington and to the President? A: It did. There were two meetings, as I recall, on Tuesday. I first received word that the coup had actually occurred, it was underway or appeared to be underway Tuesday morning when I was on the bus with General Yazov up touring the Gettysburg Battlefield in Pennsylvania. This was a previously scheduled event and we were sitting in the front seat of the bus with the tour guide describing how the Confederate and Union forces engaged one another on July 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1863, when my military assistant passed to me a portable phone. I took the call. It was General Powell calling from the Pentagon to tell me that in fact it looked like a coup was indeed underway at that point in Panama. I was up there the first few hours, Tuesday morning. I was back here in the building around 11:00 o'clock. We held a meeting at the White House at 11:45 that ran until roughly 12:30. We had another one that started about 1:40 that had been previously scheduled for the President to meet with General Yazo General Yazov waited outside while we met with the President and discussed developments in Panama. That second meeting was when we had information available to us that in fact there had been a * Origin: UNITEX --> Toward a United Species (1:107/501) --- Patt Haring | United Nations | Did u read patth@sci.ccny.cuny.edu | Information | misc.headlines.unitex patth@ccnysci.BITNET | Transfer Exchange | today? -=- Every child smiles in the same language. -=-