[fa.info-vax] SMG and VMS v4.n

info-vax@ucbvax.ARPA (07/18/85)

From: NEVILLE%umass-cs.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa

Ahhhh,  but you see...

   There IS a way to test SMG termtable definitions right now.  That is,
if you have VaxLisp.  It's internal editor uses SMG for the screen/window
managing stuff.  

   The termtables are not hard to write, really.  There are DEC terminal
versions there to mung up, and the capabilities are certainly more
mnemonic than termcap.  Actually, i think the capability definition
facility would beat both termcap and terminfo if only it were easy
and not so UGLY to get at from user programs.

   All of which brings me to another point.  Is anyone (please, please,
say yes) working on a program to convert termcap entries into terminfo
entries and termtables?  Or maybe to generate your choice of the three
from a common interface.  i'm getting tired of hand-building these things.

   Gripes: 1) terminfo is not compatible with existing termcap files; only
		the calling interface is compatible
   	   2) the SMG manual pretends to know what termcap mnemonics mean
		but they blow it on ti/te, which makes me suspect of the
		Vax11-C curses-built-out-of-SMG package.
	   3) SMG is ugly to use, as are all VMS RTL packages, but this
		this is the price we pay to be able to combine languages.
	   4) i have to keep 4 (count 'em, FOUR) definitions of my terminal
		around for Mail, Phone, Emacs, and CCA Emacs.
		     (termtable, scrft, termcap,  terminfo respectively)

We have working termtables for ADM workalikes and Freedom workalikes. i 
would think that DECUS would be a good clearing house for collections of
these things, but i have no experience dealing with DECUS software.

						-neville

					Neville D. Newman
					newman@umass-cs	   (CSnet)