[fa.info-vax] UUCP

root@ucbvax.UUCP (10/15/83)

From GEOFF5@SRI-CSL  Sat Oct  8 23:17:52 1983
The tone of your message almost doesn't deserve an answer, since calling
the UUCP network "useless" shows that you indeed know not of what
you speak.  If you have questions to ask, you might try a neutral
tone!  In any case...

There are indeed ARPA gateways in Europe -- namely in England and
Norway, and interconnections to other European nets as well.  If your
"someone" has an authorized reason for using ARPANET, they (or you)
can contact a local liaison and probably arrange access without too
much trouble.

The UUCP network does indeed have many nodes scattered throughout various
countries in Europe, and also includes Australia.  Particular concentrations
occur in England, but there must be several dozen European sites
by now, overall.  If you care to specify where your friend is, I might
be able to suggest a local site that he can contact -- though I can't
suggest how they'll react to "outsiders" walking up and asking for
access.  Still, who knows?

As for UUCP, there are essentially two versions in existence.  The 
main version is part of Unix and requires a Unix license to run.
The other version was written by yours truly, and I'm currently porting
it to various non-Unix systems.  Native VMS, Coherent, and IBM-PC MSDOS
are in progress, others have been suggested and I'll probably start
them fairly soon if there appears to be enough demand.

--Lauren--

info-vax@ucbvax.ARPA (02/15/85)

From: Lauren Weinstein <vortex!lauren@RAND-UNIX.ARPA>

First of all, a correction.  I had nothing whatever to do with
the design or implementation of Unix UUCP -- so I most definitely
am NOT "largely responsible for UUCP in the first place."  I had
nothing whatever to do with it.

My own UUCP work has been based totally on my own original code and
not on Unix UUCP source code in any manner.

I've tried to keep up to date (information-wise) on what's going
on with UUCP in the VMS world.  The Hughes UUCP port, I believe,
requires a Unix source license (I'm not sure which Unix version,
however).

Regarding "finishing products" -- I'll tell you all a little secret.
I'm ONE PERSON who has to work very hard (I'm a consultant so I
don't have a "regular" income) to pay the rent and meet day-to-day
expenses.  This means that I have to spend most of my time on short-term
projects that can bring me money immediately, and only work on
long-term projects (often with questionable income potential) when
I have some spare time.  If I had a staff of slaves, I could probably
get a lot more done.  But I don't and this means that some work takes
a very long time and must sometimes be abandoned if it's becoming
obvious that market forces are making the work less valuable.

As for my own VMS UUCP, I've had to shelve it for the time being to
concentrate on work with more immediate potential.  I haven't
abandoned it, but I do not have the time to proceed with it right
now.  Changes in new VMS OS versions also threaten to complicate
the situation from a technical standpoint.  There are other factors,
including logistical and purely practical ones, that have also
made the work much more difficult and forced me to put it on the
backburner.

I am only one person and there's only so much I can do
at any given time.  If I've learned one thing, it's to at
least TRY budget my time in an efficient manner.  I never again
want to find myself in the sort of financial crunch that
I had happen in the past.

--Lauren--

info-vax@ucbvax.ARPA (02/17/85)

From: dual!paul@politik.N-CA.UUCP (Paul Vixie)


To Lauren -

	Perhaps we can work out a deal here.  I am not long on time for
non-money-making projects either, but I am frustrated out of my mind to
have four VMS machines idle 15 hours a day and have to get my Netnews  
from "guest" accounts on other machines, so...

	Can I assist you in your VMS/UUCP effort?  I'm not free, but given
my level of frustration here I can be "cheap"...

	What do you think?

		Paul Vixie
		{sun!texsun twg!ski ucbvax!mtxinu} politik!paul
						(for now, anyway)
		(415) 697-0566 "Dataspeed, Inc."

info-vax@ucbvax.ARPA (07/31/85)

From: sasaki@harvard.ARPA (Marty Sasaki)

Harvard has available for anonymous FTP Kevin Carosso's VMS Mail
hooks. Please access during off hours. The code and documentation is
in the file "~ftp/vms/uucpmail.com". It is a DCL archive, copy it into
a directory and type "@uucpmail".

This version contains bug fixes and enhancements over the version
submitted to the Spring 1985 DECUS Symposium tape.

Here is an excerpt from the documentation:

	This is a sample foreign mail protocol that hooks to VMS MAIL
	to allow VMS MAIL user's to send mail to foreign mail delivery
	systems. This is NOT intended to be directly usable by anyone
	unless they have our UUCP distribution (in which case they
	already got this).

	This should, however, provide a model on which to build your
	own foreign mail interface.  I regret that I haven't
	documented things terribly well here, but a LOT of work went
	into decoding MAIL code listings to figure this out and I
	didn't have much time in all that to write everything down.
	Hopefully, if anyone REALLY wants to use this they can follow
	the code. 

	/Kevin Carosso
	 ARPA:          engvax!kvc @ CIT-VAX.ARPA
	 UUCP: {allegra, seismo, ihnp4}!scgvaxd!engvax!kvc

This stuff represents a lot of effort. Many thanks to Kevin.
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  Marty Sasaki				net:   sasaki@harvard.{arpa,uucp}
  Havard University Science Center	phone: 617-495-1270
  One Oxford Street
  Cambridge, MA 02138