[news.announce.newgroups] Call for Discussion: comp.lang.perl

david@indetech.com (David Kuder) (10/05/89)

Larry Wall, whose Wallware (rn, patch, and Config) can be found all
over the net, has announced that Perl 3.0 will soon be available in
comp.sources.unix.  Those of us who have been using earlier versions of
Perl feel it is time for a newsgroup devoted to it.  The obvious name
is comp.lang.perl.

There is mailing list that is devoted to perl.  Since the beta release
of Perl 3.0 there has been a tremendous amount of traffic on list.
Both the members of the list and Larry Wall feel that it is time that
Perl have its own group and the arrival of Perl 3.0 is the perfect
opportunity to start the group.

The following excerpt is from the man page for Perl.  It gives a good
capsule description of the language.

     Perl is a interpreted language optimized for scanning  arbi-
     trary  text  files,  extracting  information from those text
     files, and printing reports based on that information.  It's
     also  a good language for many system management tasks.  The
     language is intended to be practical  (easy  to  use,  effi-
     cient,  complete)  rather  than  beautiful  (tiny,  elegant,
     minimal).  It combines (in  the  author's  opinion,  anyway)
     some  of the best features of C, sed, awk, and sh, so people
     familiar with those languages should have little  difficulty
     with  it.  (Language historians will also note some vestiges
     of csh, Pascal,  and  even  BASIC-PLUS.)  Expression  syntax
     corresponds  quite  closely  to C expression syntax.  Unlike
     most Unix utilities, perl does  not  arbitrarily  limit  the
     size  of your data--if you've got the memory, perl can slurp
     in your whole file as a single string.  And the hash  tables
     used  by  associative  arrays  grow  as necessary to prevent
     degraded  performance.   Perl  uses  sophisticated   pattern
     matching  techniques  to  scan  large  amounts  of data very
     quickly.  Although optimized for  scanning  text,  perl  can
     also deal with binary data, and can make dbm files look like
     associative arrays (where dbm is  available).   Setuid  perl
     scripts are safer than C programs through a dataflow tracing
     mechanism which prevents many stupid security holes.  If you
     have  a  problem that would ordinarily use sed or awk or sh,
     but it exceeds their capabilities or must run a little  fas-
     ter,  and you don't want to write the silly thing in C, then
     perl may be for you.  There are  also  translators  to  turn
     your  sed  and  awk  scripts  into perl scripts.  OK, enough
     hype.

Well I hate to contradict Larry but that is hardly enough hype.  I
suggest that those better at talking it up (those of you on
perl-users@virginia.edu) know who you are) in news.groups.  Following
the required time for discussion I will post a call for votes for the
formation of comp.lang.perl.
-- 
David A. Kuder                              Comp.lang.perl, the time is now!
415 438-2003  david@indetech.com  {uunet,sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!david

david@indetech.com (David Kuder) (11/18/89)

Larry Wall, whose Wallware (rn, patch, and Config) can be found all
over the net, has announced that Perl 3.0 will soon be available in
comp.sources.unix.  Those of us who have been using earlier versions of
Perl feel it is time for a newsgroup devoted to it.  The obvious name
is comp.lang.perl.

There is mailing list that is devoted to perl.  Since the beta release
of Perl 3.0 there has been a tremendous amount of traffic on list.
Both the members of the list and Larry Wall feel that it is time that
Perl have its own group and the arrival of Perl 3.0 is the perfect
opportunity to start the group.

The following excerpt is from the man page for Perl.  It gives a good
capsule description of the language.

     Perl is a interpreted language optimized for scanning  arbi-
     trary  text  files,  extracting  information from those text
     files, and printing reports based on that information.  It's
     also  a good language for many system management tasks.  The
     language is intended to be practical  (easy  to  use,  effi-
     cient,  complete)  rather  than  beautiful  (tiny,  elegant,
     minimal).  It combines (in  the  author's  opinion,  anyway)
     some  of the best features of C, sed, awk, and sh, so people
     familiar with those languages should have little  difficulty
     with  it.  (Language historians will also note some vestiges
     of csh, Pascal,  and  even  BASIC-PLUS.)  Expression  syntax
     corresponds  quite  closely  to C expression syntax.  Unlike
     most Unix utilities, perl does  not  arbitrarily  limit  the
     size  of your data--if you've got the memory, perl can slurp
     in your whole file as a single string.  And the hash  tables
     used  by  associative  arrays  grow  as necessary to prevent
     degraded  performance.   Perl  uses  sophisticated   pattern
     matching  techniques  to  scan  large  amounts  of data very
     quickly.  Although optimized for  scanning  text,  perl  can
     also deal with binary data, and can make dbm files look like
     associative arrays (where dbm is  available).   Setuid  perl
     scripts are safer than C programs through a dataflow tracing
     mechanism which prevents many stupid security holes.  If you
     have  a  problem that would ordinarily use sed or awk or sh,
     but it exceeds their capabilities or must run a little  fas-
     ter,  and you don't want to write the silly thing in C, then
     perl may be for you.  There are  also  translators  to  turn
     your  sed  and  awk  scripts  into perl scripts.  OK, enough
     hype.

Well I hate to contradict Larry but that is hardly enough hype.  I
suggest that those better at talking it up (those of you on
perl-users@virginia.edu) know who you are) in news.groups.  Following
the required time for discussion I will post a call for votes for the
formation of comp.lang.perl.
-- 
David A. Kuder                              Comp.lang.perl, the time is now!
415 438-2003  david@indetech.com  {uunet,sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!david
-- 
--russ (nelson@clutx [.bitnet | .clarkson.edu])
Live up to the light thou hast, and more will be granted thee.
A recession now appears more than 2 years away -- John D. Mathon, 4 Oct 1989.
I think killing is value-neutral in and of itself. -- Gary Strand, 8 Nov 1989.