des@uno.edu (Dan Smith) (04/12/91)
Has MIPS (or anyone else for that matter) published any 'User' guides to MIPS R3000 and R4000 chips yet? I.E. is there a public ISBN number for these beasts that we (the downtrodden masses) can use to enlighten ourselves on the more arcain facts about these chip sets? Dan Smith -- Network Software Body @ Uno.Edu ps: Stuff on the r6xxx series would be nice too.. (Mr Wilkes? are you out there?? -- grin)
rex@cs.su.oz (Rex Di Bona) (04/12/91)
In article <00946FC9.05514960@uno.edu> des@uno.edu (Dan Smith) writes: > > Has MIPS (or anyone else for that matter) published any 'User' guides > to MIPS R3000 and R4000 chips yet? I.E. is there a public ISBN number > for these beasts that we (the downtrodden masses) can use to enlighten > ourselves on the more arcain facts about these chip sets? The R3000 is (from a user's point of view) the same as the R2000 and the complete coverage is in "mips RISC ARCHITECTURE" by Gerry Kane (the newer versions now mention both the R2000 and the R3000). ISBN 0-13-584749-4 Published by Prentice Hall Does MIPS still have (ever had??) the policy of distributing one of these with each machine? We got a whole stack when we bought a number of machines, and given the perpetual calls for SPARC architecture manuals I think this is (would be??) a good idea. Now, the R4000, I'm drooling on the keyboard waiting for some real documentation about it's instructions set, currently we have to be content to know that it's upwardly compatible with the R2000/R3000 (and I hope R6000) The R6000 uses the mipsII instruction set, which seems to have a few more opcodes, mainly to deal with co-processor stuff, and double word load and store for fp, but I haven't found anything definite about it either :-( All in all, it is easy to know about the core of the architecture, and the Kane book is very well written, but I'd love to see a new edition with the R4000/R6000 in it :-) -------- Rex di Bona (rex@cs.su.oz.au) Penguin Lust is NOT immoral
burn@comperex.oz (Burn Alting) (04/12/91)
In article <2291@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> rex@cluster.cs.su.oz (Rex Di Bona) writes: > [Stuff Deleted] > >Does MIPS still have (ever had??) the policy of distributing one of these >with each machine? We got a whole stack when we bought a number of machines, >and given the perpetual calls for SPARC architecture manuals I think >this is (would be??) a good idea. MIPS used to and still does distribute the "MIPS R2000/R3000 RISC Architecture Manual" with a RISC/os Manual Set (Programmers Documentation Set) as opposed to the system itself. > [Stuff Deleted] > >Rex di Bona (rex@cs.su.oz.au) >Penguin Lust is NOT immoral Burn Alting (burn@comperex.cx.oz.au)
des@uno.edu (Dan Smith) (04/12/91)
In article <399@comperex.oz>, burn@comperex.oz (Burn Alting) writes: >In article <2291@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> rex@cluster.cs.su.oz (Rex Di Bona) writes: >> >[Stuff Deleted] >> >>Does MIPS still have (ever had??) the policy of distributing one of these >>with each machine? We got a whole stack when we bought a number of machines, >>and given the perpetual calls for SPARC architecture manuals I think >>this is (would be??) a good idea. > >MIPS used to and still does distribute the "MIPS R2000/R3000 RISC Architecture >Manual" with a RISC/os Manual Set (Programmers Documentation Set) as opposed >to the system itself. > [Still more stuff deleted] Sorry, I should have made myself a bit more explicit. I've read the R2000 book and found it to be a very good source of how the instruction set worked. And I appreciate finding out that they have a new version of the book out. What I was really asking was "Does there exist a 'Users Guide' similar to the Motorola series books for the 68K." These books are the 'bibles' for anyone interested in designing boards and writing operating systems for these chips. I.E. Is MIPS making the software AND hardware interface specs available. The R2000 book is good for the system side of design but the hardware end would be interesting too. Hope this clears up my original question a bit.. Dan Smith -- Network Software Body @ Uno.Edu
rogerk@mips.com (Roger B.A. Klorese) (04/12/91)
In article <2291@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> rex@cluster.cs.su.oz (Rex Di Bona) writes: >Now, the R4000, I'm drooling on the keyboard waiting for some real >documentation about it's instructions set, currently we have to be content >to know that it's upwardly compatible with the R2000/R3000 (and I hope >R6000) > >All in all, it is easy to know about the core of the architecture, and the >Kane book is very well written, but I'd love to see a new edition with the >R4000/R6000 in it :-) We're within a few months of it. Remember that the R4000 chip set (as opposed to the technology) is still not officially announced. Look for the book at the time of the announcement. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE MIPS Computer Systems, Inc. MS 6-05 930 DeGuigne Dr. Sunnyvale, CA 94088 +1 408 524-7421 "10 years of Reagan/Bush have brought us to a new place: postconstitutional America." - Jon Carroll rogerk@mips.COM | {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!rogerk
rogerk@mips.com (Roger B.A. Klorese) (04/12/91)
In article <00946FC9.05514960@uno.edu> des@uno.edu (Dan Smith) writes: >Has MIPS (or anyone else for that matter) published any 'User' guides >to MIPS R3000 and R4000 chips yet? Information on announced chips comes from two places: the "MIPS RISC Architecture" book (R2000/R3000 version available now, R6000/R4000 version will be available in a few months), which documents the instruction set and software-visible architecture, and the data sheets and processor specs provided by our semiconductor partners (IDT, Performance, LSI, NEC, and Siemens for CMOS) for pinouts and the like. -- ROGER B.A. KLORESE MIPS Computer Systems, Inc. MS 6-05 930 DeGuigne Dr. Sunnyvale, CA 94088 +1 408 524-7421 "10 years of Reagan/Bush have brought us to a new place: postconstitutional America." - Jon Carroll rogerk@mips.COM | {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!rogerk
cprice@mips.com (Charlie Price) (04/13/91)
In article <00947042.1469AF40@uno.edu> des@uno.edu (Dan Smith) writes: >In article <399@comperex.oz>, burn@comperex.oz (Burn Alting) writes: >> >>MIPS used to and still does distribute the "MIPS R2000/R3000 RISC Architecture >>Manual" with a RISC/os Manual Set (Programmers Documentation Set) as opposed >>to the system itself. > >Sorry, I should have made myself a bit more explicit. I've read the >R2000 book and found it to be a very good source of how the >instruction set worked. And I appreciate finding out that they have a >new version of the book out. What I was really asking was "Does there >exist a 'Users Guide' similar to the Motorola series books for the >68K." These books are the 'bibles' for anyone interested in designing >boards and writing operating systems for these chips. I.E. Is MIPS >making the software AND hardware interface specs available. The R2000 >book is good for the system side of design but the hardware end would >be interesting too. One difference here is that Motorola sells chips and MIPS doesn't. The people who sell the chips are very interested in helping people be successful with them, however, and should be able to get you interface specs and such. Our CMOS partners are, in alphabetical order: Integrated Device Technology 3226 Scott Blvd. P.O. Box 58015 Santa Clara, CA 95052-8015 Tel: (408) 727-6116 LSI Logic Corporation 1551 McCarthy Blvd. Milpitas, CA 95035 Tel: (408) 433-8000 Attn: MIPS Division NEC Electonics 401 Ellis St P.O. Box 7241 Mountain View, CA 95035 Tel: (415) 960-6000 Attn: Microprocessor Marketing NEC Corporation NEC Building 7-1, Shiva 5-chome, Minatoku Tokyo 108-01, Japan Tel: (03)-3454-1111 NEC Electronics Europe Oberrather Str.4 4000 Dusseldorf 30, West Germany Tel: (0211)-650301 Performance Semiconductor Corp. 610 E. Weddell Dr. Sunnyvale, CA 94089 Tel: (408) 734-9000 Attn: Microprocessor Marketing Siemens Components, Inc. 2191 Laurelwood Rd. Santa Clara, CA 95054 Tel: (408) 980-4506 Attn: Integrated Circuit Division Siemens AG Semidonductor Division Marketing Microprocessor Products Balanstrasse 73 POB 801709 D-8000 Munich 80 Tel: (-89) 4144-0 Our two ECL (R6000) partners are NEC and Sony. You may have heard about BIT and be wondering where they come into this. MIPS currently gets R6000 parts from Bipolar Integrated Technology (BIT), but BIT is not a semiconductor partner allowed to sell to the open market, they are a foundry and only allowed to supply chips to MIPS. One supposes that you could eventually buy an R6000 chipset from one of the ECL partners. NEC (addresses above in the CMOS group) Sony Corporation 10833 Valley View St. Cypress, CA 90630-0016 Component Products Group (714) 229-4270 Sony Corporation 4-10-18, Takanawa Minato-ku, Tokyo, 108 Japan Products Marketing Dept III Semiconductor Div. Component Marketing Group Tel: (03) 3448-3425 -- Charlie Price cprice@mips.mips.com (408) 720-1700 MIPS Computer Systems / 928 Arques Ave. MS 1-03 / Sunnyvale, CA 94086-23650