mholtz@sactoh0 (Mark A. Holtz) (08/04/89)
Before my question begins, let me state this: I find news.newusers.questions a useful net. This allows me to ask questions like the following without looking stupid in another group. If you can't stand the group, forget the group from the .newsrc file!!!!!!!! (BTW: The system administrator at sactoh0 (eric) has been very helpful with user questions, and is kind enough to set up a public access Unix in Sacramento, and has done a very good job at it) Anyway, I have a question, (and no, I don't have the docs to answer it). I currently reside at sactoh0, a UUCP site. How can I e-mail a message to someone whose address lies at another net, ie Bitnet. How do I mail E-mail from one net to another? -- *-> Mark A. Holtz <-> AppleLink PE: Mark Holtz <-* *-> 7943 Sungarden Drive <-> GEnie: M.HOLTZ <-* *-> Citrus Heights, CA 95610-3133 <-> Home Phone: 916-722-8522 <-* *-> UUCP: ...!pacbell!sactoh0!mholtz <-> RESERVED PARKING SPACE!! <-*
mikeh@dell.dell.com (Mike Hammel) (08/08/89)
In article <1676@sactoh0> mholtz@sactoh0 (Mark A. Holtz) writes: : >it). I currently reside at sactoh0, a UUCP site. How can I e-mail a >message to someone whose address lies at another net, ie Bitnet. >How do I mail E-mail from one net to another? This seemed to me a question of general interest so I'm replying back to the group. Hope nobody minds. I asked this same question, but in reverse, when I was leaving a Bitnet site to work in the "real" world. I got the following addresses: From UUCP to Bitnet: node.bitnet!userid where node is the Bitnet node and userid is the userid on that Bitnet node or psuvax1!node.bitnet!userid same as above, but specifically states a gateway system generally known within UUCP. I don't know if psuvax1 is still functioning as a gateway for UUCP/Bitnet mail. From Bitnet to UUCP: node!userid@mapped_node.UUCP where node is the UUCP node and mapped_node is a UUCP node in the UUCP maps that will know about the first node, if that makes sense. UUCP at the end of the address is the domain name recognized by Bitnet sites, so they know where to send the mail first. Note that these are very specific cases. They work from UUCP to Bitnet and from Bitnet to UUCP respectively. A more general case to get from UUCP to another network would be: nodespecific@network.domain where nodespecific is the information required for routing within that other network, network is the network name recognized by UUCP and domain is the domain that network would be in. This explanation is a bit rough, to say the least. Hopefully there will be some better answers. Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel Dell Computer Corp. | Also: ...!dell!dell!mikeh or 73377.3467@compuserve.com Austin, TX | Phone: 512-338-4400 ext 7169 | "I know engineers, they looooove to change things" Disclaimer: |: These are my views, not necessarily those of the nice folks I work for.
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (08/09/89)
In article <1676@sactoh0> mholtz@sactoh0 (Mark A. Holtz) writes: > I currently reside at sactoh0, a UUCP site. How can I e-mail a >message to someone whose address lies at another net, ie Bitnet. >How do I mail E-mail from one net to another? The answer to this is site-specific. There are two reasons for this: (1) I don't know what kind of mail setup you have, and what "magic incantations" it wants (2) the answer depends very much on where you are ... and whom you want to communicate with. uucp, Internet, BITNET, HEPNET/SPAN have many points of contact. Picking the right one(s) gets your message delivered faster and more reliably, and spreads the load more or less evenly across the various networks. Simplistic answers like "just hand it off to psuvax1" do more harm than good ... unless you're in the vicinity of Pennsylvania. BITNET is, unfortunately, one of the hardest to "get right" since even BITNET users have a hard time getting information--the most useful is restricted to official node administrators because of its size and BITNET's limited capacity. I'd start by asking people-in-the-know at Cal State Sacramento. C'mon back if that doesn't lead anywhere. -=EPS=-
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (08/09/89)
In article <2573@dell.dell.com> mikeh@dell.UUCP (Mike Hammel, ) writes: >From UUCP to Bitnet: > node.bitnet!userid where node is the Bitnet node and userid is > the userid on that Bitnet node Funny, I'm not aware of any UNIX system "out of the box" that will accept this. Even systems shipped with sendmail--the supplied configuration files had no bitnet hacks. If this works on your system it's because someone specifically provided to intercept it--both uucp and DNS will reject node.bitnet. -=EPS=-
mikeh@dell.dell.com (Mike Hammel) (08/10/89)
In article <391@wet.UUCP> epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <2573@dell.dell.com> mikeh@dell.UUCP (Mike Hammel, ) writes: >>From UUCP to Bitnet: >> node.bitnet!userid where node is the Bitnet node and userid is >> the userid on that Bitnet node > >Funny, I'm not aware of any UNIX system "out of the box" that >will accept this. Even systems shipped with sendmail--the >supplied configuration files had no bitnet hacks. If this >works on your system it's because someone specifically provided >to intercept it--both uucp and DNS will reject node.bitnet. You're right. I tried it again and it didn't work. That response was taken from a response I got from a list on Bitnet (can't remember which one). I take it that UUCPnode!node.bitnet!userid would work if the UUCP node knows what to do witht the rest of the address (such as psuvax1, I was told, would). Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel Dell Computer Corp. | Also: ...!dell!dell!mikeh or 73377.3467@compuserve.com Austin, TX | Phone: 512-338-4400 ext 7169 | "I know engineers, they looooove to change things" Disclaimer: |: These are my views, not necessarily those of the nice folks I work for.
edhew@xenitec.uucp (Ed Hew) (08/13/89)
In article <2573@dell.dell.com> mikeh@dell.UUCP (Mike Hammel, ) writes: >From Bitnet to UUCP: > node!userid@mapped_node.UUCP where node is the UUCP node and > mapped_node is a UUCP node in the UUCP > maps that will know about the first > node, if that makes sense. UUCP at the > end of the address is the domain name > recognized by Bitnet sites, so they > know where to send the mail first. You will also find that quite a number of USENET sites with smartmailers will be above to route mail as follows: node!<uid>@smail_site.domain where node is the UUCP (or related USENET "node", and smail_site is a site running a compatible (whatever that means) smart mailer thats can look up your intended destination and route accordingly. <uid> is of course the userid of the indended recipient at the "node" machine. Some will work, some will complain. I know that we can forward mail here with this syntax, running smail 2.5 . >Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel Ed. A. Hew Authorized Technical Trainer Xeni/Con Corporation work: edhew@xenicon.uucp -or- ..!{uunet!}utai!lsuc!xenicon!edhew ->home: edhew@egvideo.uucp -or- ..!{uunet!}watmath!egvideo!edhew ->home: changing to: edhew@xenitec.uucp [but be patient for new maps] # I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on floppy around here somewhere!
edhew@xenitec.uucp (Ed Hew) (08/13/89)
In article <2617@dell.dell.com> mikeh@dell.UUCP (Mike Hammel, ) writes: >In article <391@wet.UUCP> epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) writes: >>In article <2573@dell.dell.com> mikeh@dell.UUCP (Mike Hammel, ) writes: >>>From UUCP to Bitnet: >>> node.BITNET!userid where node is the Bitnet node and userid is >>> the userid on that Bitnet node >> >>Funny, I'm not aware of any UNIX system "out of the box" that >>will accept this. Even systems shipped with sendmail--the >>supplied configuration files had no BITNET hacks. If this >>works on your system it's because someone specifically provided >>to intercept it--both uucp and DNS will reject node.BITNET. > >You're right. I tried it again and it didn't work. That response was taken >from a response I got from a list on Bitnet (can't remember which one). I might suspect that the answer would be that: BITNET.node!uid@BITNET_gateway ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ where_to who who's.forwarding *might* work, provided your site is talking directly to a BITNET gateway host, which may or may not be the case. If the site downstream isn't a gateway, or the host your site talks to isn't running a good smartmailer, this probably *won't* work. >I take it that UUCPnode!node.BITNET!userid would work if the UUCP node knows >what to do witht the rest of the address (such as psuvax1, I was told, would). The key words here are "...if the UUCP node knows what to do with the rest of the address..." More appropriate on a complete bang path-syntax would be: UUCP-BITNET_gateway!node.BITNET!uid where your site connects *directly* with a BITNET gateway. I suppose the point is that it is most relevant that your site must either have a useful smart mail installed, or at very least talk *directly* to one that has, or is a gateway. You can always experiment. Try out some of the examples we've been discussing. One of two things will happen: a/ your mail will likely be bounced from the immediate host site, if not internally (no harm done), but with some useful diagnostic messages. b/ it will work. If all else fails, contact your sysadmin. (on most systems you can reach that party simply by mailing "root" or "postmaster"). He/she should know the specifics for your site connectivity. >Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel >Dell Computer Corp. | Also: ...!dell!dell!mikeh or 73377.3467@compuserve.com Ed. A. Hew Authorized Technical Trainer Xeni/Con Corporation work: edhew@xenicon.uucp -or- ..!{uunet!}utai!lsuc!xenicon!edhew ->home: edhew@egvideo.uucp -or- ..!{uunet!}watmath!egvideo!edhew ->home: changing to: edhew@xenitec.uucp [but be patient for new maps] # I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on floppy around here somewhere!