raulmill@usc.edu (Raul) (08/16/89)
I have a friend who goes to another school (Cal State University, Northridge) who is also a new user. She claims she has unix access there, but doesn't know her way around the system. I can contact her occasionally by various means, but I'd like to try email. Is there any way of finding out what kind of domain CSUN is in? I have her user-id written down somewhere, I just need some kind of pointer to locate CSUN on the net. Thanks, -- Raul Rockwell | INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | Raul Rockwell | INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 |
mack@inco.UUCP (Dave Mack) (08/16/89)
In article <RAULMILL.89Aug15125739@usc.edu> raulmill@usc.edu (Raul) writes: >I have a friend who goes to another school (Cal State University, >Northridge) who is also a new user. She claims she has unix access >there, but doesn't know her way around the system. I can contact her >occasionally by various means, but I'd like to try email. Is there >any way of finding out what kind of domain CSUN is in? I have her >user-id written down somewhere, I just need some kind of pointer to >locate CSUN on the net. From UUCP map u.usa.ca.1: #N csun.edu, csun #S Sun-2/170; SunOS 3.5 #O California State University, Northridge (CSUN) #C Larry Wake #E postmaster@csun.edu #T +1 818 885 3966 (ATSS 8-672-3966) #P CSUN Computer Center, Mail Drop CCAD, Northridge, CA 91330 #L 34 14 N / 118 32 W #U polyslo csuchico csusac csustan sdsu csuf3b fedeva dcrlg1 srhqla #W lkw@csun.edu (Larry Wake); Wed Jun 7 09:53:07 PDT 1989 #R csun.edu [130.166.1.1] on the Internet. csun .csun.edu csun= csun.edu, csun.csun.edu The UUCP maps are posted to newsgroup comp.mail.maps and are probably the single most valuable source of information about how to contact other sites, particularly if you're trying to get from one network to another. Check with the postmaster at your site to find out if the maps are being squirrelled away somewhere. If not, some delicate screaming is in order. Since you're on the Internet, all you need to do is send mail to "username@csun.edu" and if they have a name server it should get to her. If not, you'll need to find out which host she has an account on and send mail to "username@hostname.csun.edu". >-- >Raul Rockwell | >INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | >UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc >U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | >Raul Rockwell | >INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | >UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc >U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | Your signature is broken, Raul. Try again. -- Dave Mack
dbilar@antares.UUCP (Dave Bilar) (08/17/89)
In article <5446@inco.UUCP> mack@inco.UUCP (Dave Mack) writes: >In article <RAULMILL.89Aug15125739@usc.edu> raulmill@usc.edu (Raul) writes: >>I have a friend who goes to another school (Cal State University, >>Northridge) >From UUCP map u.usa.ca.1: > #N csun.edu, csun > #O California State University, Northridge (CSUN) > #C Larry Wake > #E postmaster@csun.edu [...] > #U polyslo csuchico csusac csustan sdsu csuf3b fedeva dcrlg1 srhqla [...] Notice how many sites in #U above have "csu" as part of ther names? The CSU maintains a net linking its campuses. If you can find a link from usc to csu[xxxx] your mail will move rather quickly over dedicated lines, once it reaches CSU-NET (or whatever they call it.) A quick scan of u.usa.ca.1[thru 10] for "csun" with your favorite editor is certainly called for. If you search for your site's name, you may find a neighbor site which is already connected to csun. Who knows? >The UUCP maps are posted to newsgroup comp.mail.maps and are probably >the single most valuable source of information about how to contact >other sites, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] Hear! Hear! (here! here! ?????) :-) > >Since you're on the Internet, all you need to do is send mail to >"username@csun.edu" and if they have a name server it should get to >her. If not, you'll need to find out which host she has an account >on and send mail to "username@hostname.csun.edu". > I have found it time well spent, although very time consuming, to subscribe to comp.mail.maps, and create a KILL file of all the maps I'm not interested in. This takes quite some time, and can be easily be done as a "background" process at times when your boss isn't looking. :-) This is easy for me thanks to windowing software or using two CRT's. (Be sure to switch yourself back to the foreground process before too long!) Once I got the KILL file created, only the *.ca articles got through (plus a few more from a time when I wanted to find a university in Ohio... I'll have to re-kill the Ohio maps next time.) It takes some time to go through an entire world of "new" articles in comp.mail.maps, killing each one, but the result outweighs the problem. Good Luck... >>-- >>Raul Rockwell | >>INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | >>UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc >>U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | > >Your signature is broken, Raul. Try again. ...not if one uses the Kill function of their editor...:-) > >-- >Dave Mack Hey Dave--Got any openings over there? :-( -- Dave Bilar, KA6UQJ Speaking only for himself... UUCP: {uunet,ames,pyramid}oliveb!tymix!antares!dbilar USPS: McDonnell Douglas Network Systems Co., PO Box: 49019, ATTN: Mailstop F21, San Jose, Ca. 95161-9019 (408)922-8078 "Remember: its not _just_ an electric bulb, its a Dark Sucker!"
lwake@pitstop.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) (08/17/89)
In article <477@antares.UUCP> dbilar@antares.UUCP (Dave Bilar) writes: >In article <5446@inco.UUCP> mack@inco.UUCP (Dave Mack) writes: >>In article <RAULMILL.89Aug15125739@usc.edu> raulmill@usc.edu (Raul) writes: >>>I have a friend who goes to another school (Cal State University, >>>Northridge) > >>From UUCP map u.usa.ca.1: >> #N csun.edu, csun >> #O California State University, Northridge (CSUN) >> #C Larry Wake >> #E postmaster@csun.edu >[...] > >A quick scan >of u.usa.ca.1[thru 10] for "csun" with your favorite editor is certainly >called for. If you search for your site's name, you may find a neighbor >site which is already connected to csun. Who knows? Who knows, indeed... Unless they haven't updated their map, you'll find that in fact the closest site to USC with a UUCP link to CSUN is USC itself. However, this is *not* the best way to go about sending mail if you're at a site that knows what it's about, such as USC. Use domain routing! As previous articles suggested, your best bet is to send to addresses in the form user@host.domain where "user" is their user ID or alias, "host" is the machine name or a name assigned to a group of machines, and "domain" is the domain name assigned to the site (csun.edu, in the case of CSUN). If your friend has user ID "jane" on host "afws" at CSUN, her address is: jane@afws.csun.edu In a perfect universe, you needn't worry about how it gets there; just sit back and admire the network in all its glory. In an imperfect universe, yell and scream until it becomes perfect. Eschew the "!" and all it implies, for in that direction lies madness. In fact, this is a particularly good example of Why Explicit Routing is Bad. If you indeed saw in the maps that usc connects to csun, and used the bangpath, your mail would queue up until the next time csun called usc (usc no longer ever initiates a UUCP call, even if outgoing mail is queued), which might be in twenty minutes, or it might be in a day or so. If instead you used the domain address, the message would be delivered over the Internet, usually within seconds. (Unless CERFnet/Los Nettos routing was munged, but that's certainly another story for another time.) BTW, to answer the original question "How do I find the domain of a friend?", the best answer is "have the friend ask their local user services group or system administrator." Until such things become automated and standardized, it doesn't make much sense to try to guess someone's mail address from the outside when it's likely that your friend can find out the answer much more quickly and accurately from the inside. Larry Wake No longer postmaster@csun.edu, but still keeping an eye on things from time to time.
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (08/17/89)
In article <RAULMILL.89Aug15125739@usc.edu> raulmill@usc.edu (Raul) writes: >I have a friend who goes to another school (Cal State University, >Northridge) who is also a new user. She claims she has unix access >there, but doesn't know her way around the system. I can contact her >occasionally by various means, but I'd like to try email. Is there >any way of finding out what kind of domain CSUN is in? I have her >user-id written down somewhere, I just need some kind of pointer to >locate CSUN on the net. Various means sound like a good idea given that Northridge is "the next valley over" from where you are. BTW, try CSUN.EDU. -=EPS=-
mack@inco.UUCP (Dave Mack) (08/19/89)
In article <5446@inco.UUCP> I wrote: >Since you're on the Internet, all you need to do is send mail to >"username@csun.edu" and if they have a name server it should get to >her. If not, you'll need to find out which host she has an account >on and send mail to "username@hostname.csun.edu". Since posting this, I have been informed (translation: been beaten savagely about the head and shoulders and told) that name servers do not, in general, do mail routing within domains. My sincere apologies to anyone who has spent the last few days trying to get their name server to route mail. Apparently this means that some poor bozo has to add aliases to /usr/lib/aliases on the gateway machine to get mail routed to the correct host. Those who are interested in this subject should probably read comp.mail.misc. In addition: >>-- >>Raul Rockwell | >>INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | >>UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc >>U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | >>Raul Rockwell | >>INTERNET: raulmill@usc.edu | >>UUCP: ...uunet!usc!raulmill | 55 mph = 82 nc >>U.S.SNAIL: 721 E Windsor #4, GLENDALE CA 91205 | > >Your signature is broken, Raul. Try again. I also got flamed about this. So let me try once more, using small words so no one will misunderstand: Raul, did you know that you have two copies of your signature at the bottom of your message? This is a Bad Thing, and you should think about finding out why it happened and prevent it from happening again. OK? Arrgh. Picky, picky, picky. -- Dave Mack
wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) (08/19/89)
>Since you're on the Internet, all you need to do is send mail to >"username@csun.edu" and if they have a name server it should get to >her. Bzzzz. Wrong answer. Not many institutions have established any kind of centralized e-mail server. It is not safe to assume that CSUN has. (For all I know, they may have done just that. But the quoted sentence seems to say that you can send mail to anyone, anywhere, through some handy server machine. Wrong.) > If not, you'll need to find out which host she has an account >on and send mail to "username@hostname.csun.edu". Ding ding ding.
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (08/19/89)
All 19 campuses of the California State University (and a few other things) are connected by a statewide 56Kb network, with plans to upgrade to T-1 service. Last I checked the Internet connection was through the San Diego Supercomputer Center, with a T-1 link "Real Soon Now" from CSU's Southwestern Research Labs in Los Alamitos to CERFNET via UC Irvine. Those campuses that are not yet IP-connected are still waiting for the magic Cisco boxes that will gateway their networks to CSUNET-IP. Just because a campus has Internet connectivity doesn't mean you can get there from here--many campuses have missing or inaccurate Internet registrations; for example, CSU Sacramento thinks it's CSUS.EDU, but it's not registered with WHOIS and unknown to DNS. Here are the WHOIS summaries for the California State University; the few hosts that appear here are probably domain name servers. Each domain may well have several hundred hosts hiding behind it. Northridge chose to accept mail addressed to the secondary domain (CSUN.EDU). This is unusual; in most cases you will have to identify a specific host (e.g. POLYSLO.CALPOLY.EDU). -=EPS=- Cal Poly State University (BLACKBIRD1) BLACKBIRD1.CALPOLY.EDU 129.65.17.3 Cal Poly State University (CALPOLY-DOM) CALPOLY.EDU California Polytechnic State University (NET-CALPOLY) CALPOLY 129.65.0.0 California State Polytechnic University - Pomona (NET-CSUPOM) CSUPOM134.71.0.0 California State University at Fresno (CSUFRESNO-DOM) CSUFRESNO.EDU California State University at Fresno (NET-CSUFRESNO) CSUFRESNO 129.8.0.0 California State Univeristy at Stanislaus (KOKO) KOKO.CSUSTAN.EDU 130.17.1.4 California State Univeristy at Stanislaus (SCG1-CSUSTAN) SCG1.CSUSTAN.EDU 130.17.1.2 California State University at Stanislaus (CSUSTAN-DOM) CSUSTAN.EDU California State University, Chico (NET-CSUCHICO) CSUCHICO 132.241.0.0 California State University, Hayward (NET-CSUH-NET) CSUH-NET 134.154.0.0 California State University, Long Beach (NET-CSULB-IP) CSULB-IP 134.139.0.0 California State University, Los Angeles (CALSTATELA-DOM) CALSTATELA.EDU California State University, Los Angeles (NET-CSULANET) CSULANET 130.182.0.0 California State University, Northridge (ALICE) ALICE.CSUN.EDU 130.166.4.19 California State University, Northridge (CSUN) CSUN.EDU 130.166.1.1 California State University, Northridge (CSUN-DOM) CSUN.EDU California State University, Northridge (NET-CSUN) CSUN 130.166.0.0 California State University, Northridge (TIM-CSUN) TIM.CSUN.EDU 130.166.4.4 California State University, Stanislaus (NET-CSUSTAN) CSUSTAN 130.17.0.0 California State University (CALSTATE-DOM) CALSTATE.EDU California State University (NET-CSUNET-IP) CSUNET-IP 130.150.0.0 California State University (NET-CSUSAC) CSUSAC 130.86.0.0 San Diego State University (NET-SDSU-NET) SDSU-NET 130.191.0.0 San Diego State University (SDSU) SDSU.EDU 130.191.229.14 San Diego State University (SDSU-DOM) SDSU.EDU San Francisco State University (GIBBS1) GIBBS.SFSU.EDU 130.212.12.64 San Francisco State University (NET-FOGNET) FOGNET 130.212.0.0 San Francisco State University (SFSU-DOM) SFSU.EDU San Francisco State University (SUTRO) SUTRO.SFSU.EDU 130.212.15.230 San Jose State University (SJSU-DOM) SJSU.EDU Sonoma State University (FACRESCTR) FACRESCTR.SONOMA.EDU 130.157.2.5 Sonoma State University (NET-SONOMA-STATE) SONOMA-STATE 130.157.0.0 Sonoma State University (SONOMA-DOM) SONOMA.EDU Sonoma State University (SPEAR-SONOMA) SPEAR.SONOMA.EDU 130.157.2.6
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (08/19/89)
In article <5455@inco.UUCP> mack@inco.UUCP (Dave Mack) writes: >Since posting this, I have been informed (translation: been beaten >savagely about the head and shoulders and told) that name servers >do not, in general, do mail routing within domains. I don't think most readers understand what this means; while the Domain Name Service has the capability to provide information about individual user mailboxes, most sites use alternative facilities (which predate DNS, "ain't broke and don't need fixing") for the per-user stuff. "Routing" as uucpers understand it (i.e. per-host) is most definitely done within domains, and name servers are very much responsible for making this work right. -=EPS=-
mikeh@dell.dell.com (Mike Hammel) (08/22/89)
In article <446@wet.UUCP> epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) writes: >I don't think most readers understand what this means; while the >Domain Name Service has the capability to provide information >about individual user mailboxes, most sites use alternative >facilities (which predate DNS, "ain't broke and don't need >fixing") for the per-user stuff. > >"Routing" as uucpers understand it (i.e. per-host) is most >definitely done within domains, and name servers are very much >responsible for making this work right. > I'm sort of new to this too. I take it what you mean here is that the name server functionality (providing centralized routing information for a domain) is not the dominant structure in use. For the most part individual hosts maintain the domain routing information locally. Is this right? Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel Dell Computer Corp. | Also: ...!dell!mikeh or 73377.3467@compuserve.com Austin, TX | Phone: 512-338-4400 ext 7169 "I know engineers, they looooove to change things" L. McCoy Disclaimer: These are my views, not those of my employers. So there.