bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (09/18/89)
First, try being a bit more informative with the Subject line.
Something like: "Several questions about mail and rn" would have been
better.
In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> wiml@blake.acs.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes:
: 1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this is
: I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a
: description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it.
There is. Someone else will have to tell you how, since I don't know
the details.
: 3. Is there a way to make `mail' think I've read an article, when I
: actually haven't? I want it to go to mbox when I exit, but I don't
: want to have to wait for it to scroll slowly past at 1200bps ...
Which `mail'? Questions like this should always be accompanied by a
description of your system. This should be at least the hardware type,
operating system name, and OS version, along with anything else that
might be relevant to getting the answer.
My `mail' has the `mbox' command (abbreviate `mb').
: 4. What is the format of the .forward file, and how does it work? Will
: it do anything under normal `mail'? I've looked in the manual under
: `forward', `.forward', `dotforward', etc. but have found nothing. A
: correct manual reference would be great.
The .forward file is just a mail address. On some systems you can
give more than one mail address; I'm not sure whether you use commas
or spaces as a delimiter.
: 5. What is the format of a mailbox file (or how do I find out). I want
: to be able to browse, modify, etc. a standard mailbox file, from within
: programs I write.
Depends on the system. Mine looks like this:
From <who-from> <date>
Message headers
blank line
Message body
blank line
In the message body, any line beginning with `From ' has an `>' placed
in front of it. As for the description of the message headers, for
that there is a standard (RFC822, I think), but there is no telling
if your system follows it.
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Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill
bill@twwells.comted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) (09/18/89)
In article <1989Sep17.222953.14160@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> wiml@blake.acs.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes: : 1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this is : I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a : description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it. william lewis is apparently on the internet based on the form of his address (and the fact that the university of washington is heavily networked). if this is true and if he has an on the ball mailer, he can just append @compuserve.com to any compuserve addresses that he has. getting mail _back_ from the compuserve side is a black art to me. if this doesn't work, then your local guru may be able to work with the fact that nslookup shows the mail exchanger for compuserve.com to be: saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu inet address = 128.146.8.98 good luck. -- ted@nmsu.edu Most of all, he loved the fall when the cottonwoods leaves turned gold and floated down the trout streams under the clear blue windswept skies.
throoph@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Henry Throop) (09/18/89)
In article <1989Sep17.222953.14160@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: >In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> wiml@blake.acs.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes: >: 1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this is >: I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a >: description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it. > >There is. Someone else will have to tell you how, since I don't know >the details. Mail to Compu$erve can be sent by substituting the comma in a CIS user's ID # for a period, and then mailing them @compuserve.com; for example, 7yyyy,xxx@compuserve.com. (I'm not sure if that's the right number of digits.) Btw, you can also send mail to MCI Mail users the same way: ------------------------------Original Message----------------------------- From: David K. Ely <dely@NRI.Reston.VA.US> Thank you for your request about MCI Mail. I am the technical POC for the MCI Mail Gateway project. Currently, there is no charge for sending mail from the Internet to MCI Mail. In order to send mail to users on MCI Mail, use one of the following addresses: accountname@mcimail.com -or- mci_id@mcimail.com -or- full_user_name@mcimail.com For instance, I have a mailbox on MCI Mail. You could send mail to me via either dely@mcimail.com or 379-3286@mcimail.com or David_Ely@mcimail.com. Users on MCI Mail can also send messages to the Internet. At the "Command:" prompt, type "create <carriage return>. Then the user performs the following: (NOTE the "TO:", "EMS:" and "MBX:" strings are prompts provided by MCI Mail. Command: create <return> TO: David K. Ely (EMS) EMS: INTERNET MBX: dely@NRI.Reston.VA.US This address is translated to: "David K. Ely" <dely@NRI.Reston.VA.US> by the Gateway. >Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill >bill@twwells.com Hope it helps Henry --- Henry Throop Internet: throoph@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
stefan@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Kjartan Stefansson) (09/18/89)
In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> wiml@blake.acs.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes: >1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this is > I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a > description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it. These sort of questions have repeatedly popped up in comp.mail.misc. John Chew, U. of Toronto, collected answers and posted them there. Here is the most recent update I got from him. He's planning to post this on a monthly basis to comp.mail.misc and news.newusers.questions. Kjartan. ----- CUT HERE ----- # Inter-Network Mail Guide # $Header: netmail,v 1.2 89/09/18 12:22:43 john Exp $ # # This file documents methods of sending mail from one network to another. # It is maintained by John J. Chew <poslfit@gpu.UTCS.UToronto.CA>, and is # posted monthly to comp.mail.misc and news.newusers.questions. Please # send any corrections or additions to the above address. # # Each entry in this file describes how to get from one network to # another. To keep this file at a reasonable size, methods that can # be generated by transitivity (A->B and B->C gives A->B->C) are omitted. # Entries are sorted first by source network and then by destination # network, and a typical entry looks like: # # #F mynet # #T yournet # #R youraddress # #I send to "youraddress@thegateway" # # #F (from) and #T (to) lines specify source and destination networks. # These are currently one of: # # applelink Apple Computer, Inc.'s in-house network # att AT&T's in-house network # bitnet international academic network # compuserve commercial time-sharing service # fidonet PC-based BBS network # internet the Internet # mci MCI's commercial electronic mail service # span Space Physics Analysis Network # # #R (recipient) gives an example of an address on the destination network, # to make it clear in subsequent lines what text requires subsitution. # # #I (instructions) lines, of which there may be several, give verbal # instructions to a user of the source network to let them send mail # to a user on the destination network. Text that needs to be typed # will appear in double quotes, with C-style escapes if necessary. #F applelink #T bitnet #R user@site #I send to "user@site.bitnet@dasnet#" #F applelink #T internet #R user@site.domain #I send to "user@site.domain@dasnet#" #F bitnet #T applelink #R user #I send to "XB.DAS@STANFORD.BITNET" #I set subject to "user@APPLELINK" #F compuserve #T internet #R user@site.domain #I send to ">INTERNET:user@site.domain" #F fidonet #T internet #R user@site.domain #I send to "uucp" at nearest gateway site #I first line of message: "To: user@site.domain" #F internet #T applelink #R user #I send to "user@applelink.apple.com" #F internet #T att #R user #I send to "user%attmail@att.com" #F internet #T compuserve #R xxxx,yyy #I send to "7xxxx.yyy@compuserve.com" #F internet #T fidonet #R john smith at 1:2/3 #I send to "john.smith@f3.n2.z1.fidonet.org" #F internet #T mci #R 234-5678 #I send to "2345678@mcimail.com" #F internet #T span #R user@host #I send to "user@host.span.NASA.gov" #I or send to "user%host.span@longs.ucar.edu" #I or send to "user%host.span@star.Stanford.edu" #F mcimail #T internet #R John Smith <user@site.domain> #I at the "TO:" prompt type "John Smith (ems)" #I at the "EMS:" prompt type "internet" #I at the "MBX:" prompt type "user@site.domain" #F span #T internet #R user@site.domain #I send to "IUE::\"user@host.domain\"" #I or send to "AMES::\"user@host.domain\"" #I or send to "NSFGW::\"user@host.domain\""
scott@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston) (09/22/89)
>2. Is there a command in rn similar to `K', but which `M's articles instead > of `j'unking them? IE, it would take the whole thread, and mark it > temporarily read, unmarking when I exit the newsgroup. Some command that > would do the same thing as `/ (subject) /:M' but without my having to > type in the subject string. You can use rn escape sequences to make rn fill in the subject for you, e.g. /esc-s/M Or to mark followups to a specific article rather than a given subject, use /esc-i/h:M to select by article-ID. This is handy for those endless subject lines with multiple divergent threads that frequently infect Usenet. For numerous other escape sequences, see TFM. -- Scott Huddleston testing the semantics of the ".signature" file
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (09/22/89)
In article <4718@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM> scott@tekcrl.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston) writes: >You can use rn escape sequences to make rn fill in the subject for you, e.g. >/esc-s/M ... >For numerous other escape sequences, see TFM. Better yet, for the other escape sequences, use rn: esc-h will give you help on escape sequences. No need to dig out the manual at all.... --Ed
ralph@nastassia.laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) (09/22/89)
In article <1989Sep17.222953.14160@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: | In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> wiml@blake.acs.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes: | : 1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this is | : I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a | : description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it. | | There is. Someone else will have to tell you how, since I don't know | the details. I'm very interested in getting this posted. Also are there gateways to GENIE, BIX, or EASYPLEX(?) ? Thanks, Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!mcvax!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: SOBEK@FRMOP11.BITNET sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU =============================================================================== Upon the instruments of death the sunlight brightly gleams. -- King Crimson
dattier@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (David Tamkin) (09/23/89)
Ralph P. Sobek wrote in <432@laas.laas.fr> in news.newusers.questions: RPS> In article <1989Sep17.222953.14160@twwells.com> T. William Wells writes: TWW> In article <3665@blake.acs.washington.edu> William Lewis writes: W L> 1. Is there a way to get mail from Usenet (or Internet or whatever this W L> is I'm using) to Compuserve? I seem to recall seeing somewhere a W L> description of a gateway, but at the time I had no need of it. TWW> There is. Someone else will have to tell you how, since I don't know TWW> the details. RPS> I'm very interested in getting this posted. Also are there gateways RPS> to GENIE, BIX, or EASYPLEX(?) ? To CompuServe: change the CIS account's comma to a period to make the user name. The site name is CompuServe.COM. Thus, 7xxxx,yyyy becomes 7xxxx.yyyy@CompuServe.COM for sending mail from the Usenet world. From CompuServe: a CompuServe user can write to us in the form >INTERNET:user@site.domain or >INTERNET:forwarder!site!user. The word >INTERNET: is used even for sites that are not on the Internet proper. The greater-than sign and the colon are required, but a space may be inserted after the colon. To/from GEnie: no go. There are no connections and none planned. To/from BIX: there is no direct route, but DASNet will deliver mail between this universe and BIX at their usual rates. EasyPlex is CompuServe's trade name for its email function, so look back three or four paragraphs. If you meant *EasyLink*, then I don't know the answer, except for going through an independent forwarder like DASNet. MCIMail customer accounts are reachable also, but you'll need to hear from someone else how to communicate with them from here. David Tamkin dattier@jolnet.orpk.il.us {attctc,netsys,ddsw1}!jolnet!dattier P. O. Box 813 Rosemont, Illinois 60018-0813 (312) 693-0591 (708) 518-6769 BIX: dattier GEnie: D.W.TAMKIN CIS: 73720,1570 Jolnet is a public access system, where every user expresses personal opinions.
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (09/24/89)
In article <1580@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> dattier@jolnet.UUCP (David W. Tamkin) writes: >MCIMail customer accounts are reachable also, but you'll need to hear from >someone else how to communicate with them from here. There's an MX record for MCIMAIL.COM, so username@MCIMAIL.COM or number@MCIMAIL.COM should work as with normal Internet mail. -=EPS=-
harelb@arthur.uchicago.edu (Harel Barzilai) (10/14/89)
I've been mentally collecting questions to ask for a while now, so here goes with three: (1)General unix question: when I'm in "mail" and hit return to read an article, it doesn't "more" it for me, so big letters/files just scroll off the screen (I realize there's control-s and control-q, but I'd rather not have to use them all the time (and you need a quick hand)); is there a way of making my "mail" smart enough to do this? (2)How does one use the "Message-ID" to access old articles (I assume that's basically what it's there for) instead of using "article number"? (3)In one of the newsgroups I read, there's often a series of articles I don't want to read and I know exactly how many articles I want to skip (i.e., and have them be considered as read); how do I do this (instead of typing "n" to each one which can take 2 seconds each time) [the newsgroup is misc.headlines.unitex, and I'll often find something like "subject:UN session on...(part 1 of 11)"] Right now I'm using "rn", if that's relevant to answering (2) and (3) [although I'm now going to look into "vn" and/or "nn" given all the praise they've been receiving here] Thanks for your help, and please email a copy directly to me when you post the answers. -HB "Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -how passionately I hate them!" -A.E.
mesard@bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) (10/14/89)
harelb@arthur.UUCP (Harel Barzilai) writes: >Distribution: na Mild news flame: Usenet .GT. North America. Please use a "world" distribution and let each site decide if they want to receive your article or not. >(1)General unix question: when I'm in "mail" and hit return to read an >article, it doesn't "more" it for me, >[...]is there a way of making my "mail" smart enough to do this? General UNIX questions belong in comp.unix.questions. I've never used "mail"--I'm a die-hard MH fan, myself--so I'm not going to answer your question and risk forgetting to dot an I or cross a T. However, 33 seconds with the mail man page gave me what looks like an answer. Type "man mail" for details. [That's right folks, RTFM.] >(2)How does one use the "Message-ID" to access old articles (I assume >that's basically what it's there for) instead of using "article >number"? Not really. The Message-ID field is there to give each article a unique serial number. This, amoung other things, allows the construction of the References field. Note that the References line of _this_ message contains your article's ID. If someone follows-up this article it will have both this article's ID and your article's ID in the References line. Some newsreading software uses this information to follow the "thread" of a discussion. But if you really want to go this--and whatever it is you're trying to do, I assure you there are easier ways--the rn command would be: ?^Message-ID:.* id-goes-here?rh Left as an exercise for the reader to sit down with the rn man page and decipher this. >(3)In one of the newsgroups I read, there's often a series of articles >I don't want to read and I know exactly how many articles I want to >skip (i.e., and have them be considered as read); how do I do this To apply a command to a series of articles, specify the article numbers followed by a colon then the command. So to junk, say, articles 790 through 797 of the newsgroup you're currently reading you'd type: 790-797:j >[the newsgroup is misc.headlines.unitex, and I'll often find something >like "subject:UN session on...(part 1 of 11)"] But what you really want is: /UN session on/:j In general, if you're typing numbers to "rn" you're probably doing things the hard way. Typing "h" when in rn will give you a list of all the commands available at the current level (Newsgroup Selection, Article Selection and Pager). This would have readily provided the above information. >Right now I'm using "rn", if that's relevant to answering (2) and (3) Shucks, and I was all set to flame you for not saying. :-) -- unsigned *Wayne_Mesard(); "Are you for UNIX or are you against UNIX? Mesard@BBN.COM People know the answers even if they don't BBN, Cambridge, MA understand the question." -Bill Joy
epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) (10/16/89)
In article <46929@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes: >harelb@arthur.UUCP (Harel Barzilai) writes: >>(1)General unix question: when I'm in "mail" and hit return to read an >>article, it doesn't "more" it for me, >>[...]is there a way of making my "mail" smart enough to do this? > >General UNIX questions belong in comp.unix.questions. I've never used >"mail"--I'm a die-hard MH fan, myself--so I'm not going to answer your >question and risk forgetting to dot an I or cross a T. However, 33 >seconds with the mail man page gave me what looks like an answer. Type >"man mail" for details. [That's right folks, RTFM.] Sigh. Wayne, why don't you just pass on the question? Harel: what kind of "mail" are you using? If it's BSD mail or some variant, such as AT&T's mailx, or a compatible program such as mush, you'd do a set crt=23 (probably in a .mailrc file). If you are really running AT&T mail (aka "binmail"), consider switching to something else. -=EPS=-
r4@cbnews.ATT.COM (richard.r.grady..jr) (10/16/89)
In article <46929@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes: >harelb@arthur.UUCP (Harel Barzilai) writes: >> [...] >>(3)In one of the newsgroups I read, there's often a series of articles >>I don't want to read and I know exactly how many articles I want to >>skip (i.e., and have them be considered as read); how do I do this >>[the newsgroup is misc.headlines.unitex, and I'll often find something >>like "subject:UN session on...(part 1 of 11)"] > [...] >But what you really want is: > > /UN session on/:j You might also try the command "k", which the rn "help" command defines as k Mark current SUBJECT as read. For example, the subject line of this article is Subject: Re: several questions The "k" command will kill all articles with the subject line Re: several questions This may not work with Harel's example subject:UN session on...(part 1 of 11) because of the variable part numbers. But, in keeping with my "conservation of typing" principle, I sure would try "k" before /UN session on/:j -- Dick Grady r_r_grady@att.com ...!att!mvuxd!r4
mesard@bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) (10/17/89)
It has been pointed out to me today by several helpful soles that I was clearly impolite and possibly inaccurate in <46929@bbn.COM>. I was bugged because I read a dozen messages in a row that made me feel like n.n.q is becoming the source of first resort for inquiring minds. But my message was way too obnoxious. A simple pointer to news.announce.newusers, "h" in RN and man pages would have been more appropriate. So I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the net.community and to Harel (the original poster). [Don't worry, I probably won't kill myself.] I wrote: >harelb@arthur.UUCP (Harel Barzilai) writes: >>Distribution: na > >Mild news flame: Usenet .GT. North America. Please use a "world" >distribution and let each site decide if they want to receive your >article or not. The last time this discussion went around, I thought the result was that the European folks would prefer to get everything posted to a group (unless the content was clearly of interest only to locals; e.g. an announcement about the annual New England Snodgrass Festival in rec.food.snodgrass could get a "ne" regional distribution). But a couple of people sent me mail disagreeing. Follow-ups to news.misc. If there's an interesting discussion there, I'll post a summary here after there's a consensus.